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I did not go back to the book to study the texts, but it seems to me that the point is not that you should not play a game and win or lose. The point is not to go into a games condition, that is a game connected to a "MUST". Saying that games should be avoided is like saying that life should be avoided. Does not seem right to me. Michel Artwww.michelmatilart.comwww.imagemakersvancouver.com/get_paintedInternet business www.onfirematrix.net www.onfirematrixdreamteam.com/onfirematrixbizmm.htm http://onfirematrix.com?id=avar To: pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com From: pti...@proftitleserv.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:31:08 -0800 CC: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: Re: [TROM1] RI and The Secret ************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ You guys have really been busy while I've been gone! "I have been noticing that TROM processing is generally raising my tone and making my life run smoother. I do not engage in the conflicts that I used to stress over. I do postulate that things I need will come to me as I need them and they do." [I really like hearing that. My viewpoint is that you are more into a control of flows and they don't have to be the kind that 'must' be a cause or 'must' be an effect everything is much more in ARC. I feel this is how one goes from ARC into KRC. Too much emphasis is put on ... which is it ... it better be cause ... it better not be effect. Well just don't even characterize it in those contexts. Leave it as simple as ... it went from A to B or from B to A or from A to Q and from B to Z. Let's not be so serious, let's just have what it was and nothing else.] "I haven't run this changed RI long and have not seen a big change from it." [What change is that? Have I missed something?] "My last big cognition was from Paul's statement that winning a game causes the negative effects of committing an overt. This shocked me and still amazes me, that both Wining and Losing reduce a beings ability." [I'm really glad that communicated to you. On this same line and being on Level 5, I realize that the silly kick yourself in the head, shoot yourself in the foot is the idea that all of the postulates in the Postulate Failure Chart have a 'must' in front of them. As I go thru each level, as the last step I look at what I was running and get the idea that I don't have to have the 'must' and neither does the pan-determined postulate. That little exercise caps the whole thing off and puts it to bed for that session. I wind up with full and complete determinism as does the other terminal (there is no opposition in either direction). Not necessarily a win/win nor a lose/lose. It's just an event, just an action, just something that happened, no seriousness. Also no force fields or barriers or resistance.] "Wow, I have to be very careful to not get into any games. Before I was operating on the notion that I could play a game and win and that would be good. Not so a win is as bad as a loss. I must operate on the basis that I will have what others are happy for me to have so there are no winners or losers. [Ok, let's take that carefulness off altogether. Ron's definition of a win is to decide to do something and do it, to decide not to do something and not do it. That's all. The only other factor to apply is, 'the greatest good for the greatest number of Dynamics'. Don't even get into the subject of overts and motivators.] This is working nicely." Keep on TROMing Pete [I've been away for a while researching, working on something I discovered about Dennis' TROM. In doing so I also went to the T4R group and got introduced to other techniques which I am getting a feel for. More on that in the future.] [Right now let me put some simplicity into the 'winning Lottery number'. Don't even use the word, the term, the characterization 'winning'. Using something of the nature ... These numbers came up at the Lottery. I have the same numbers that came up on the Lottery. This ticket has the numbers that just came up. Notice that I'm using past tense. You can also use present tense and future. If you use all three, see that you get them in the right order. It would go future, present, past. Another thing to notice is the win/ lose viewpoint has been eliminated and you are not in contest with anyone or anything. It's also not so serious or special and more on a ho-hum basis. Do not set it up as a Postulate Failure Chart episode/event.] [Concerning the "Secret", I studied it when it first came out years ago and found it interesting and very good. I also discovered that there was a critical concept/idea, something that I can't remember what now that was left out altogether. Can't remember what it was. It has been years.] Keep on TROMing, Paul, Level 5 in progress You guys have really been busy while I've been gone! "I have been noticing that TROM processing is generally raising my tone and making my life run smoother. I do not engage in the conflicts that I used to stress over. I do postulate that things I need will come to me as I need them and they do." [I really like hearing that. My viewpoint is that you are more into a control of flows and they don't have to be the kind that 'must' be a cause or 'must' be an effect everything is much more in ARC. I feel this is how one goes from ARC into KRC. Too much emphasis is put on ... which is it ... it better be cause ... it better not be effect. Well just don't even characterize it in those contexts. Leave it as simple as ... it went from A to B or from B to A or from A to Q and from B to Z. Let's not be so serious, let's just have what it was and nothing else.] "I haven't run this changed RI long and have not seen a big change from it." [What change is that? Have I missed something?] "My last big cognition was from Paul's statement that winning a game causes the negative effects of committing an overt. This shocked me and still amazes me, that both Wining and Losing reduce a beings ability." [I'm really glad that communicated to you. On this same line and being on Level 5, I realize that the silly kick yourself in the head, shoot yourself in the foot is the idea that all of the postulates in the Postulate Failure Chart have a 'must' in front of them. As I go thru each level, as the last step I look at what I was running and get the idea that I don't have to have the 'must' and neither does the pan-determined postulate. That little exercise caps the whole thing off and puts it to bed for that session. I wind up with full and complete determinism as does the other terminal (there is no opposition in either direction). Not necessarily a win/win nor a lose/lose. It's just an event, just an action, just something that happened, no seriousness. Also no force fields or barriers or resistance.] "Wow, I have to be very careful to not get into any games. Before I was operating on the notion that I could play a game and win and that would be good. Not so a win is as bad as a loss. I must operate on the basis that I will have what others are happy for me to have so there are no winners or losers. [Ok, let's take that carefulness off altogether. Ron's definition of a win is to decide to do something and do it, to decide not to do something and not do it. That's all. The only other factor to apply is, 'the greatest good for the greatest number of Dynamics'. Don't even get into the subject of overts and motivators.] This is working nicely." Keep on TROMing Pete [I've been away for a while researching, working on something I discovered about Dennis' TROM. In doing so I also went to the T4R group and got introduced to other techniques which I am getting a feel for. More on that in the future.] [Right now let me put some simplicity into the 'winning Lottery number'. Don't even use the word, the term, the characterization 'winning'. Using something of the nature ... These numbers came up at the Lottery. I have the same numbers that came up on the Lottery. This ticket has the numbers that just came up. Notice that I'm using past tense. You can also use present tense and future. If you use all three, see that you get them in the right order. It would go future, present, past. Another thing to notice is the win/lose viewpoint has been eliminated and you are not in contest with anyone or anything. It's also not so serious or special and more on a ho-hum basis. Do not set it up as a Postulate Failure Chart episode/event.] [Concerning the "Secret", I studied it when it first came out years ago and found it interesting and very good. I also discovered that there was a critical concept/idea, something that I can't remember what now that was left out altogether. Can't remember what it was. It has been years.] Keep on TROMing, Paul, Level 5 in progress _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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