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Sent: 12/5/2003 11:17:54 AM
Subject: Re: Care to help answer these questions Brothers?
From: Ron McRae
I cannot comment on the skull cap beyond having been told the same. i met with Jeff in April last, and know Lonnie had a difficult time keeping this "running issue" in check. He has since stayed far from Lonnie, and it has helped alot.
Concerning the use of Mormon garments as illustrations. I have asked everyone involved, and the Mormons have consistently blown the thing out of proportion, becasue they have no answer for their people, as to why these garments are so sacred. When there, I repeatedly held them up in the air and inquired of the same, with added emphasis as to how such could be "holy" considering what goes in them. Additionally, I made note of the summary judgement that "if this underwear is the fine linene and righteouseness of the Mormon church, then to see the righteousness of the Mormon church, you have to look into their underwear." Obviously, this is not an overstatement, though some within the Bible's classification, would say of it, like they did the apolstle Paul, that it was "rude speech" (see 2 Corinthians 11:6). I guess, I would partially be to blame for teaching some others my rude illustrations. No one wiped their posterior. This as far as I have been told from asking, is just the Mormon o
verstatement.
Concening the righteousness of such illustrations, Biblically I would send you to the following passages, where God's men utilized some of the same,
· Architectural Graphics (Ezekiel 4:1-7).
· Displays of human and animal waste as man’s provision to illustrate the horrible conditions of upcoming judgment on man’s condition (Ezekiel 4:9-17).
· The graphic display of personal injury and blood (1 Kings 20:37-42).
· The graphic and gorrish display of human dismemberments to arouse people’s concern and public opinion about governmental blindness to abominalbe immorality and sexual murder and sadism (Judges 19:25-30).
Obviously, somethings can be taken overboard by zeal in absence of wisdom or discernment or just experience. Personally, the line should be drawn close to the above. Wiping the nose is borderline, but very effective attention getter, that shocks, but does not inflame or enrage. The young man who was attacked simply had the garment slung around his neck and shoulders. Hardly an attention getter. Happy is the man whose heart condemneth not himself in the thing that he alloweth. But we should not use that as an excuse to go beyond Biblical righteousness, and holiness in any illustration.
Beyond this, God lead!
Ron McRae
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: Care to help answer these questions Brothers?
Dean, before you do this, would you consider talking about it? I have not gone to Salt Lake City yet, but there are two things that have bothered me from the reports.
I would encourage you to come the first weekend of April 2004. Are the reports you are getting second hand, Mormon or from the Salt Lake City newspapers? When you have thousands of Mormons around you and you want to pass out tracts most if not all would walk right by you without taking much. Even with preaching out loud, most would keeping walking (I know by first hand experience there), so we have been known to go a little beyond, just to get them gathering around to listen.
One is about somebody who wore a skull cap to mock James White,
This is a guy is named Jeff and let me give you some back ground on him. He is not with us nor does he fellowship with Lonnie out there in S.L.C. he (Jeff) was married to a Mormon and both went to temple but his wwife-committedsuicide and he blames this on the church. He is now involved with Christian Identity and seems to have much bitterness against the Mormon church, but understand that Lonnie has been trying to counsel him also in all matters. He was upset with James White after hearing what white said about us. Knowing that we made a big impact during conference, he believed (as an outsider) like us that White was upset just out of pure envy. We did what he only tried to do, which is noise out a message to the convent
ion, the city (local news and papers) the whole church (web-sites, etc). The same debate that White does in the evening with 150 people we do on the sidewalk with thousands. With no books or tapes to buy. Jeff had that “skull hat” with him and was not even going to be with Lonnie and Ruben, but decided to get it out it and on after Lonnie and Ruben preached to White with tailored banners. Jeff only stood between the banners for about ten minutes (if that) before James White walked off never to be seen again. Lonnie has rebuked Jeff and to date they do very little together because he might do something stupid that we do not wish to be apart of.
and the other is about waving the Mormon underwear.
People are motivated for a variety of reasons, but if you were to ask me why I used those garments it would be used to snap the Mormons out of their stupor. It is their convention, by their temple, in their city with us trying to obey their metropolis laws, as underdogs 98% of the Mormons would walk right by us. So we stun them to grab their attention, where we can break down into small conversations, which we would not have had. I do not mind tarnishing my good name with idiocy to expose their idiocy. Or why would a New Testament Church wear these garments if we have no record of the Apostles doing such? Is not the BLOOD OF JESUS enough??? It is a something they believe in and
like the banners we use to get our message across. With the Catholics I have used rosary beads and with the Hare Krishna’s I wear a cow costume, you grab their attention and give them a message tailored just for them.
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