RE: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

[Kevin Deegan]

 and what if the light within be darkness and we become a stumbling block to others as some of the Mormons have been stating. What if we run before we are

sent?  God prepared ppl for a long time before sending them on a

mission for Him.

 

I think the question is not what if we run before we are sent.

it is what if we sit after we are sent?

There is much more of that in the church today & in the Bible.

Nu 32:6-7 And Moses said unto the children of Gad and to the children of Reuben, Shall your brethren go to war, and shall ye sit here? And wherefore discourage ye the heart of the children of Israel from going over into the land which the LORD hath given them?

 

Many people in the Church today think the Amour of the Lord is a SEAT CUSHION!

“You have enjoyed yourself in Messiahianity long enough. You have had pleasant feelings, pleasant songs, pleasant meetings, pleasant prospects . There has been much of human happiness, much clapping of hands, and much shouting of praises – very much of heaven on earth. Now then, Go to God and tell Him you are prepared as much as necessary to turn your back upon it all, and that you are willing to spend the rest of your days struggling in the midst of perishing multitudes, whatever it may cost you”  Gen. William Booth

 

The mormons are only protesting cause they can not STAND to hear the Word of God proclaimed, it strikes them in the heart. it condemns them, & their hellish profane religion. God wants His work; done His way. One thing you always leave out in your discussions is the work of the Word & the Holy Spirit.

 

Word

Jesus gave the word to His own Jn 17:8 John 17:14 "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them"

Jn 17:17 "sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth"

1 Pt 1:23 "born again ... by the word of God"

Seeing as God thought it right to give out the word, should we not do the same?

 

Holy Spirit:

Witnesses to the truth Jn 16:13

REPROVES the WORLD of sin Jn 16:8

(this is why they revolt and hate their sin is exposed)

Holy Spirit will speak Jn 16:13

(this witness occurs in the heart where you or I may not enter. The Holy Spirit speaks in mens hearts.)

 

LDS can not stand the Word proclaimed:

Hebrews 12:19-21 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

Unless we deliver that message how can they hear? Romans 10

Sitting and doing nothing is the real stumbling block. please show me a scripture where someone was discouraged from recieving the lord because of such a stumbling block. (I am not advocating every man doing what is right in his own eyes) This is the same old excuse that has been going on for years.

Even David the shepard BOY had to show up to do the Armies job, as Goliath blaspheemed the Lord. Don't get too ZEALOUS there David! Where was God's army? Sitting on the side lines, nothing to say, just like today. What did God's Army do? (with all of their fine regalia on here comes the shepard BOY) Now they have something to say! Goliath blaspheems God every day; NOT A WORD. The BOY shows up & the words come forth, they call him names & tried to DISCOURAGE him. Nothing new there. Did God SEND David? Did David just DO what was right? Did God prepare David for a long time? God does prepare, but ONLY those that are WILLING to GO!

 

IS 6:8 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me."

"Horatius Bonar said The soul and eternity of one man depends upon the voice of another"

Jer 1;7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

NO excuses, SPEAK!

 

 

Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

 

 

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Subject: [TruthTalk] The Basis of Christian Fellowship

From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dean writes:

Where in hell? Look and see where they had to depart to?

Matt:25:41...into everlasting fire,prepared for the devil and his angels:

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**Wrong tense Dean, sorry bout that ...  I should have said 'would have'

had enough time to get it together.  You see this is what salvation is - a

measure of time during which we are conformed to the 'image of Christ'

which is what we have been predestined to since the foundation of the

world. (Romans 8:29,30)

 

 Dean writes; And after we are saved what then?

Do we walk around smiling -telling others that God loves them?

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Judy:

Salvation is present-progressive Dean, it's an ongoing work rather than

an accomplished fact.  After we've said our prayer we work out our own

salvation with fear and trembling, witnessing to others as the Lord opens

the door.  The main thing is to learn obedience, just as Jesus learned by

the things he suffered.... but suffering as an evildoer doesn't count.

 

Dean writes:

Then tell me what if one died in Christ right this minute? What if they

haven't completed that ongoing work?

 

Judy:

Actually it's God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

He knows what we are about and He sees the heart while we observe

the outward appearance - His judgment is perfect and LOVE is where

it's at.

 

Dean:

He said to go into all the world and preach the gospel- Why do I

have to wait for a door to open-the entire world is open and the harvest

ripe-and Jesus point the direction and said go .Are you saying to sit

still and wait?

 

Judy:

I'm not telling you to do anything other than obey the Lord. ATST

are you telling me that 'everyone' is to go Dean? that women can't stay

at home, keep house, and raise children in a stable environment because

everyone is commanded to go out into the streets and preach?

 

Dean writes:

No- not everybody can travel to Africa and preach-but they can

invite their neighbor to come to the kingdom. They can do something

-such as tell what God will exact for the penalty of sin-and the one doesn't

have to go to that awful place-that is true love for your fellow man.

 

Judy:

What if the neighbors believe they are already part of the Kingdom

Dean mine do and I am not ordained to inspect their lives and judge

them. I go to a hairdresser who is homosexual, he was raised in a

Pentecostal Church and he believes he is OK.  He talks about praying

all the time. Should I get in his face and tell him he is going to hell?

God has not impressed me to do this.

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 Do you

think Mary & Martha of Bethany and Jesus' mother Mary went out into

the streets to preach the gospel and get people saved?

 

Dean wrote:

I believe they told many about Jesus-whether loudly of quitely-they

told. Who brought the first message that He is risen if not these Mary(s)

after visiting the tomb-But I can tell you one thing they certainly didn't do-

They never hindered or even tried to stop one person from preaching

the gospel as you have been trying to do.

 

Judy:

Oh! So now the accuser is stepping it up.  First I have no fruit and now I

am hindering or trying to stop someone preaching the gospel.  Who Dean?

 

 

 and what if the

light within be darkness and we become a stumbling block to others as

some of the Mormons have been stating. What if we run before we are

sent?  God prepared ppl for a long time before sending them on a

mission for Him.

Dean writes:

 

I fail to see how preaching Christ and Him crucified could cause

anyone a problem-except those that hate God. To preach this is to

shine light into the world-not darkness that would make one to fall.

1 Peter 2:8

 

Judy:

Sometimes Dean the way we do things causes the problem. Not everyone

is impressed by the same things. Paul said he became all things to all

people so that he might win some.

 

And a stone of stumbling,and a rock of offence,even to them which at the

word,being disobedient,whereunto also they were appointed. Yes I would

agree here as I believe you are not ready to go-maybe you are here now

to get ready?

 

Judy:

To go where Dean?  Don't you think if God wanted me to go somewhere

that he is capable of getting my attention?

Dean writes:

Into all the world...

 

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