Judy wrote: > How do you figure that David? There are ordinances > against noise in public places. When we moved to > VaBch I used to like taking the kids to the Beach > in the summer so I could relax and listen to the waves > I hated it when ppl would come with these loud boom > boxes playing heavy metal music. Was I the lawless > one because I wanted peace? What about Hebrews 12:14?
There is nothing wrong with you enjoying quiet over boom boxes, but public places are not the place where you are guaranteed quietness. I enjoy a quiet beach too, and I don't like rock music on boom boxes, but if I go to a public beach, I have to expect to share it with other people. That's why when I want a quiet beach, I take a boat and go out to a deserted island. :-) Judy wrote: > I understand free speech to pertain to what is > said as well as where it is said. Thought police > are not an issue - presently but if these disturbances > continue they may bring some unwanted attn. I sure > wouldn't want Mormons with truth horns, whistles, etc. > in my face right outside my chosen place of worship - > would you? Actually, yes I would. That is how much I hate apathy. If the Mormons showed up in front of my home or church with banners and preaching, I would invite them in. I would say, "how about you guys come in and tell us what you want us to hear. Then we will give equal time to some of our people to give an answer for what you have said. If you like, we will schedule meetings all week for you guys." In other words, if people are making the sacrifice to try and get a message out that they believe is important, the respectful and courteous thing to do is to embrace them and assist them in getting their message out. Judy wrote: > Whose law are the complainers breaking? They are abrogating the U.S. Constitution. When someone engages in Constitutionally protected speech and someone else complains to the police and pressures them to arrest the speakers, this is lawless behavior. Blaine wrote: >>> BY THE WAY, Mormon missionaries are REQUIRED >>> to get permission/cooperation with any person >>> they teach. David wrote: >> That is a shame. They should be taught about >> free speech and acting under the free authority >> that comes from God Almighty. Judy wrote: > How is it a shame not to run over the top of people? > I think it is a good thing that they teach their > missionaries to respect others - it's what I've tried > to teach my children. It is a shame because they are teaching them that authority comes from man instead of from God. You can see this in the Mormons themselves in their speech here on TruthTalk. They believe they will be saved because of the authority they believe that their church has through Joseph Smith. Instead, men and women should see that God is the source of all our actions and He is the one who gives authority to speak or act. If a person thinks that they have to ask for permission before he can speak in a public area, that person is not free. He lives in bondage to the authority of men. Not only should a man be free to speak in public without asking permission, believers in the church should be free to stand up and speak without first getting permission from pastor, priest, or anyone else. Judy wrote: > How can it be a weakness to use common sense. > If ppl are not interested then why not respect > their wishes? If a bridge was out and a car was driving toward it, and you tried to tell the person driving to stop but he did not appear interested in what you had to say, what would you do? Would you comfort yourself with, "well, I tried, but he would not listen?" I think you would try jumping up and down and making some noise and get them interested in the information that you had, that if they kept driving down that road, they were going to run off the bridge and be killed. Judy wrote: > We hate telemarketers who call at dinner time > and will not take No for an answer. I don't like telemarketers either. We have a right to privacy in our homes and in our work place. We do not have a right to privacy in the public arena. That is what I keep repeating, but if you are not involved in public ministry, the point just gets lost. It is sad that the only people who value the concept of free speech seem to be those who feel the need to be engaged in it. Judy wrote: > Is the above completely honest? I've seen lots of > notch counting here and have been accused of not > doing anything because I'm not out there on the > street like the rest of you racking up converts. The notch counting came up because you challenged whether preaching works. If you claim to have the better way, we want to examine whether that is true, and at the same time, if your methods are not as good, we want you to face that and own up to it. Judy wrote: > It's not their outward appearance David, it's an > attitude or tone that comes from them and it's > also on this list. It's like they are untouchable > and can do no wrong because they represent GOD so > the rest of us should meet their standard or else > we are deceived on purpose or in gross error. The attitude of which you speak is not unnoticed by me. Like I said, I think you are sharing some things that need to be heard, but one reason they do not hear you is because you do not acknowledge the things that you need to hear. Judy wrote: > I've been accused of everything BUT being a > Christian by ppl on this list. Well, I hereby accuse you of being a Christian, Judy. So there! LOL. Ok, you have a point. They are being hard on you. Could it be that you are being a little myopic, speaking a little more than listening? Two ear and one mouth, right? How about listening twice as much as speaking? :-) Judy wrote: > Wishful thinking David, can you see an Evangelical > being invited into the Vatican to address the Pope > and Cardinals? I sure can't. I agree. I wasn't doing "wishful thinking" but exposing why the problem exists. When governments don't hear the people, the protestors rise up. When everyone is heard and properly represented by those in authority, then you won't have the protestors out there making an issue. In other words, some people are blaming the street preachers, but the real blame lies with those in authority who will not hear those whom God has sent. The Mormon Temple in Utah has had many passing out tracts for years and years (such as James White and his team). I suspect there may have been some Mormons too, who instead of being heard, were excommunicated. Now God has seen fit to bring in the Street Preachers. I conclude that the voices have not been heard, so God is sending those with a more bold message so that these Mormons will be without excuse in the day of judgment. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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