Judy wrote: > You are right that I don't subscribe > to Hubert's opinion.
Judy, based on my personal relationship with Hubert, I would say that Hubert would agree with much of what you have shared. We need to be careful about being too critical of any quotes lifted out of context. For example, I could lift a quote from James about being justified by works and not by faith alone and try to say that he disagreed with Paul saying that we are justified by faith without works. Context and the people you are speaking to is very important. The quote I shared was being taught to Baptists who taught that women should never say a single word in church, but that they should be absolutely silent. Hubert first showed the absurdity of this idea, saying that such a position, if being consistent, would mean women could not even sing in church, because that would not be "silence." He then showed how Paul made appeal to the law and pointed out what the law said about women. One point he made was concerning the gender differences concerning vows, how a woman's word was not taken as binding unless the man allowed it. In any case, I don't want to drag this out, but to Hubert's credit, I think it would be helpful for you to know that he was agreeing about women not ruling the church but that does not mean that women should not preach. His statement was a cute way of making that point. In regards to Sarah's telling Abraham what to do, she was basically undoing her previous work of telling Abraham to take Hagar to be his wife. Furthermore, she did not exercise authority over Abraham in this regard, but simply expressed her desire and let Abraham make the decision. So from this perspective, Sarah did not rule Abraham, she did not tell Abraham what to do, but rather she regarded her husband Abraham as her lord. In this context, I think Hubert's statement still stands and is an effective way to distinguish between the authority to declare the gospel and the authority to rule over men. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.