Wow. There are so many things we disagree on. Pick ONE of the following and stay with it, judy. I will respond to all your commits -- which I never do. But to illustrate just how far apart we are, here I go. My current remarks are in caps.
John
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Not without repentance which means the sinner must consciously repent of and turn
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
from their sin.
john: What happens to the fellow who is not aware of his sin?
jt: The preaching of the cross should convict the world of sin, righteousness, and the
judgment to come and God anoints/empowers His Words, not our substitutes.
YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION UNLESS YOU THINK THAT PETER ON PENTECOST DAY SOLVED ALL THE DOCTRINAL PROBLEMS OF THE THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO WERE SAVED ON THAT DAY -- A RATHER SILLY IDEA, I MUST ADD.
jt: Faith without corresponding actions is dead. I know Luther didn't like this but
john: The flow of the blood doesn't work until he, the sinner, does the right thing?
How in the world do you explain "salvation by faith apart from works?"
it is so. Salvation is a faith walk, not a one time prayer and the blood only cleanses
the conscience when we come to the throne of grace in time of need.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT LUTHER AT THIS JUNCTURE. READ ROMANS THREE AND FOUR AND TELL ME HOW WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH APART FROM OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENS OF GOD. THAT IS WHAT PAUL SAID. JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT THE _expression_ OF FAITH IN BENEVOLENT ACTIVITY AND ALL OF HIS EXAMPLES ILLUSTRATE THAT SPECIFIC POINT. BUT DO NOT ARGUE THAT MATTER. LET'S JUST STICK WITH WHAT PAUL SAID.
jt: God accepts faith with corresponding actions. Abraham is our example being
john: And why is it necessary for God to continue accepting our faith
IN THE PLACE OF righteousness?
the father of faith. He was willing to go to the mountain with firewood and the son
of promise. God likes this kind of faith. Passive acceptance does not move Him
and there is no way to make it without His empowerment.
EXCEPT FOR THE GUY IN ROMANS 2:12FF. AND YOUR EXAMPLE OF ABRAHAM IS NOT THE BIBLICAL ARGUMENT PAUL IS MAKING. GO BACK AND READ ROMANS 4. THE POINT IS THAT ABRAHAM COULD DO NOTHING BUT ACCEPT WHAT GOD SAID ABOUT HIS (ABRAHAM'S) OFFSPRING -- THAt IS THE BIBLICAL EXAMPLE.
jt: The truth will make the addicted free if they are willing to act on it.
john: What is your message of hope to the addicted?
ROMANS 7 DESCRIBES THE ADDICTED -- TO A TEE. VERSE 25 CLEARLY SAYS THAT HIS PROBLEM CONTINUES BUT (8:1) WITHOUT CONDEMNATION. tHE GLORY OF THE GOSPEL BY GRACE IS THAT THE ADDICT HAS ALL THE TIME HE NEEDS TO OVERCOME HIS PROBLEM. YOU SAY THAT HE HAS NO TIME. NONSENSE.
jt: God is faithful and the Good News will be preached to the world before the
john: And the guy in South Africa who has never heard of Christ?
end comes.
THE GUY DIED YESTERDAY. NOW WHAT.
jt: He may be better off than the dead 'religious' because he sees it for what it
john: And the gang banger who was molested by a minister and rejects "religion"
out of hand because of that experience?
is. God's mercy is available to him also; the professing church is full of the
wounded and walking dead.
APPARENTLY NOT IN YOUR CHURCH. AS I READ YOUR GOSPEL, ALL THEIR SIN PROBLEMS HAVE VANIISHED.
jt: IQ is fine when submitted to the word and the will of God, being smart after
john: Where does I.Q. fit into your scheme of things.
the flesh won't profit. Obedience is what counts.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WALKING DUMB. THE BORDERLINE GUYS. MY POST IS CLEAR ON THAT. YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ THE POST BEFORE YOU START YOUR RESPONSE.
jt: Noone has the whole loaf. Jesus keeps us dependent upon himself and this
john: Some people just do not have the smarts to understand some things but
can grasp others.
is why when he ascended he gave gifts to men which are dispensed by the Holy
Spirit as HE WILLS. However, since the CofC is against music they are most
likely closed to 1 Corinthians 12 also as are some other denominations so the
professing church today is powerless and divided. All we can receive are a
few crumbs.
NOT SURE WHY YOU THREW IN THE SLAM AGAINST THE C OF C. I AM FOURSQUARE BY DENOMINATIONAL CHOICE. SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONE OF GOD'S GIFTS IS A SMART PILL TO THE EFFECTUAL DUMB?
judyt
ACTUALLY, THE ONLY THING HAT I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IS THE ISSUE OF SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH APART FROM OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW OF GOD. THAT'S IT.
GRACE TO YOU
JOHN
