Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request

[Judy Taylor]

From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I did not say you made any rule.  I said there are exceptions to rules.  I am not talking about Calvin or reformed faith, and making a man blind is not evil when God does it.  He is the potter.  He has the right to use the clay to glorify Himself .  You do not have to be one of God's covenant people, simply one of His creations in order to be useed.  You have studied for a long time.  You see the rule.  Now you need to study more, 'til you see the exception to the rule.  Jesus said very plainly, "This was not a payback for sin".  To say otherwise is to change God's word.  I don't think you would ever want to do that.  0.Terry   judyt: It's not unscriptural to say that the Lord does it because Deut 28:28 reads "The Lord will smite you with madness and with blindness and with bewilderment of heart and you shall grope at noon as the blind man gropes in darkness and you shall not prosper in your ways, but you shall only be oppressed and robbed continually with none to save you" - However, this is the consequence of breaking covenant (healing is the children's bread).  Nowhere in scripture can I find a precedent for the way some denominational people interpret John 9 and when they use it this way it is usually to defend some doctrine that is rooted in unbelief.  Can you find another incident in scripture where God afflicted for His own glory?  How does one take a stand, see disease as an enemy,  and fight to be well and ATST believe that their ailment was sent by God to glorify Him?   Jesus never ever called sickness and disease a blessing.  His healing the blind man is what glorified God and these are the works we are to be doing "in His name" - That teaching is so subtle.  No wonder the Church is so passive with regard to healing. Who wants to fight with God?  James wrote "All GOOD gifts come from above from the Father of Lights in whom there is NO DEGREE of shadow or turning."  God is never capricious.  It is His will is for ALL to be saved and come to the knowledge of Truth; and for us to "prosper even as our soul prospers" (note that I am not talking about finances or stuff here).  The fact that they will not is not of His making and neither is the proneness to sickness, plagues, and disease that afflicts humanity.  Wake up Church!!       Judy Taylor wrote: I didn't make any rule about the 'curse lighting' Terry but it is in God's Word.  In the exceptions you give it was Pharoah who hardened his own heart (I think it was 8 times) before God finally hardened it for good before which he had plenty of opportunities to go the other way.  Nebuchadnessar was a pagan king who lifted himself up in pride. Neither were part of God's covenant people. In Joseph's case it was the jealousy of his own brothers that cause his stress and what they meant for evil God turned around and used for good.  I know Calvins theology ascribes everything (both good and evil) to God making him responsible for both and Calvinism is the basis for what they call the Reformed faith.  I've studied this for a long time and I don't see God making people sick for his glory ever.  The scriptures clearly teach that sick people are oppressed by the devil.  God is glorified when they are made well by His Word. ===================================================================================