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[TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational
Sin
Judy,
Your posts today
remind me of a raccoon that has been backed into a corner and knows only to
fight back. You are not above reproach or rebuke on this forum.
Each time someone rebukes you, you bring out your tired old line “you don’t
know me…”. Blah blah blah. I know what you have written and will
comment on it. You are responsible for what you write on the
forum. This must be a stretching experience for you to realize that
what you say matters and that you won’t get away with it. I must ask
you to read your own post again, this time without the blinders. You
quote your esteemed teacher Wright and his ideas on leukemia. Let me
quote: “There
is a pastor I know of in Georgia who ministers in the light of this wisdom
and many are healed from what is considered incurable chronic disease.
He has written a book called "The More Excellent Way" and in his
experience leukemia is tied to "deep rooted bitterness coming from
unresolved rejection by a father quote "I have always found a breach between
the person who has that disease and their father. I've never found a mother
involved in the breach; abandonment by a father, literally or emotionally,
is also implicated" Our son-in-law is a good father, but he
came out of a shocking situation although he is an Annapolis graduate and a
high achiever in everything he puts his hand to. The chickens
have a way of coming home to roost. If we, as a family, can
accept the truth and deal with it, there will be healing of all breaches and
perfect peace in the Lord.” Now connect the dots. Leukemia is
tied to “deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a
father.” “I have always found a breach between the person who has that
disease (Jenna) and their father (your son-in-law).”(brackets mine – they
are there to help you understand what you wrote) Therefore if you
agree with Henry Wright’s opinion (and you must or why else would you
mention it and then connect it to your son-in-law in the very next
sentence?) Jenna must have deep rooted bitterness, and you son-in-law must
have contributed to a breach between himself and Jenna. Are you so
blind that you cannot see what you have written? You then go on to
talk about your son-in-law and how “the chickens have a way of coming home
to roost.” You then mention how your family needs to work out its
issues (“accept the truth and deal with it” are you exact words). It
is your connection between what Wright says and what Jenna has here, not
mine. It is your connection between what Wright says about your
son-in-law here, not mine. Own up to what you post. Hiding
behind your pleas that I listen to the devil will not help ya
here.
Regarding the ad hominem card you
played. Ad hominem arguments try to discredit a claim or proposal by
attacking its proponents instead of providing a reasoned examination of the
proposal itself. Hmmm, I attacked your viewpoint on this issue, not
you. That your viewpoint sickens me I have left no doubt. I have
provided a reasoned examination of my viewpoint, plus many resources for you
to consider. You in turn have not made a reasoned examination at
all. Instead you attack where people who wrote an article went to
school. You do an email of the Henry Wright review I posted that did
not attempt to argue even ONE point. It only says (i.e. what your
review says to me), this review is horrible; this man accuses my idol and I
can’t take it. I have no arguments against it, I don’t know how to use
scripture as the reviewer did to make my point; I guess I better just put
this guy down (call him a dispensationalist, ask God to forgive him
etc.). It is exactly what you do whenever you encounter critique on
this forum. You accuse those that disagree with you as listening to
Satan, spindoctors, etc. It is almost laughable if it were not so
pathetic.
What sickens me
most is that only Lance has had the guts to stand up against this aberrant
teaching (actually Terry did come forth and say that you may not always be
right in your interpretation here – you blasted him with your, “I didn’t say
it, God did” line that is so tiresome). This is a 4 year old girl with
leukemia and we are blaming her and her father for it and we think we have
scripture to back this up? Shame on the rest of the
group.
Jonathan
"The days are coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of
Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. Just as I watched over them
to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I
will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. "In those
days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the
children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead, everyone will die for his own
sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge. "The time
is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the
house of Israel and with the house of Judah." Jer 31:27-30
It was
established in the Law that children would not be punished for the sins of
their father (Deuteronomy
24:16, comp. II Kings
14:6). The idea of generational sin does not come from a
scriptural foundation, but from world viewpoint. Colossians 2:8 describes the process by
which the world develops wrong ideas with these three terms: philosophy (a
wrong idea that has no basis in truth), vain deceit (false reasoning to
support the idea) and traditions of men (wide acceptance of the wrong idea
and false reasoning to support it). This process has only one purpose:
to take away personal responsibility, create bondage to sin and deceive
people regarding the nature of God.
This same false line of
reasoning has been spiritualized and there are those who would twist the
scriptures to try to promote the idea of generational sins or curses.
"My sin is not really my fault, it is the result of a curse put on me
because of my father’s sin, there’s nothing I can do about it, I’m not
responsible." But, there’s nothing new under the sun. Israel in
Ezekiel’s day had accepted the same world viewpoint, which prompted God to
deal with it in Ezekiel 18.
When you read it, pay particular attention to verses 1-4, 20-24 and 30-32.
Ezekiel 18:1-4 (NIV) The word of the
Lord came to me: "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the
land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are
set on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no
longer quote this proverb in Israel. For every living soul belongs to me,
the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is
the one who will die."
Ezekiel 18:14-16,18-20 (NIV) "But
suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and
though he sees them, he does not do such things: He does not eat at the
mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel... He does not
oppress anyone... He does not commit robbery, but gives his food to the
hungry and provides clothing for the naked... He will not die for his
father's sin; he will surely live. But his father will die for his own sin,
because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong
among his people. Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his
father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful
to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one
who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the
father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man
will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged
against him."
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Exegetical
Fallacies and Generational Sin
Your analysis below is an ad hominem
attack; you don't know me nor do you understand a thing I have said in the
right context so how are you qualified to evaluate the condition of my
heart before God? Read my post again and show me where I said Jenna
(or our son-in-law) had "deep rooted" bitterness. You need
to stop listening to the accuser and pray about some of these things
before shooting from the hip.
What disgusts me is
your post below. To even imply or insinuate that the leukemia of this
poor little girl is a result of some sin in your son-in-law is absolutely
baseless. You might as well put a bullet through his head. Don’t
you think he is going through enough right now? Don’t you know that he
would give his very life to heal his daughter? How blind can you be to
the horrors of your teaching? A 4 year old child has deep rooted
bitterness? I thought that “Jenna is a sweet and loving child who ppl are
drawn to because of her personality.” You are sick.
I accept that my posts may not be the vehicle God will use to help you to
see your errors. You have never accepted rebuke from anyone on TT;
your heart is hard. Regardless of your wacked theology, God in His
mercy will never leave you or forsake you. May He soften your heart
and allow you to see His truth. May He help me love you, to submit my
anger at your teachings to Him. And most importantly, may He shower
Jenna with all the blessings in Christ Jesus.