Judy,
Your posts today
remind me of a raccoon that has been backed into a corner and knows only to
fight back. You are not above reproach or rebuke on this forum.
Each time someone rebukes you, you bring out your tired old line “you don’t
know me…”. Blah blah blah. I know what you have written and will
comment on it. You are responsible for what you write on the
forum. This must be a stretching experience for you to realize that what
you say matters and that you won’t get away with it. I must ask you to
read your own post again, this time without the blinders. You quote your
esteemed teacher Wright and his ideas on leukemia. Let me quote:
“There is a
pastor I know of in Georgia who ministers in the light of this wisdom and many
are healed from what is considered incurable chronic disease. He has
written a book called "The More Excellent Way" and in his
experience leukemia is tied to "deep rooted bitterness coming from
unresolved rejection by a father quote "I have always found a breach between
the person who has that disease and their father. I've never found a mother
involved in the breach; abandonment by a father, literally or emotionally, is
also implicated" Our son-in-law is a good father, but he came out
of a shocking situation although he is an Annapolis graduate and a high
achiever in everything he puts his hand to. The chickens have a way
of coming home to roost. If we, as a family, can accept the truth
and deal with it, there will be healing of all breaches and
perfect peace in the Lord.” Now connect the dots. Leukemia is
tied to “deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a
father.” “I have always found a breach between the person who has that
disease (Jenna) and their father (your son-in-law).”(brackets mine – they are
there to help you understand what you wrote) Therefore if you agree with
Henry Wright’s opinion (and you must or why else would you mention it and then
connect it to your son-in-law in the very next sentence?) Jenna must have deep
rooted bitterness, and you son-in-law must have contributed to a breach
between himself and Jenna. Are you so blind that you cannot see what you
have written? You then go on to talk about your son-in-law and how “the
chickens have a way of coming home to roost.” You then mention how your
family needs to work out its issues (“accept the truth and deal with it” are
you exact words). It is your connection between what Wright says and
what Jenna has here, not mine. It is your connection between what Wright
says about your son-in-law here, not mine. Own up to what you
post. Hiding behind your pleas that I listen to the devil will not help
ya here.
Regarding the ad hominem card you
played. Ad hominem arguments try to discredit a claim or proposal by
attacking its proponents instead of providing a reasoned examination of the
proposal itself. Hmmm, I attacked your viewpoint on this issue, not
you. That your viewpoint sickens me I have left no doubt. I have
provided a reasoned examination of my viewpoint, plus many resources for you
to consider. You in turn have not made a reasoned examination at
all. Instead you attack where people who wrote an article went to
school. You do an email of the Henry Wright review I posted that did not
attempt to argue even ONE point. It only says (i.e. what your review
says to me), this review is horrible; this man accuses my idol and I can’t
take it. I have no arguments against it, I don’t know how to use
scripture as the reviewer did to make my point; I guess I better just put this
guy down (call him a dispensationalist, ask God to forgive him etc.). It
is exactly what you do whenever you encounter critique on this forum.
You accuse those that disagree with you as listening to Satan, spindoctors,
etc. It is almost laughable if it were not so
pathetic.
What sickens me most
is that only Lance has had the guts to stand up against this aberrant teaching
(actually Terry did come forth and say that you may not always be right in
your interpretation here – you blasted him with your, “I didn’t say it, God
did” line that is so tiresome). This is a 4 year old girl with leukemia
and we are blaming her and her father for it and we think we have scripture to
back this up? Shame on the rest of the group.
Jonathan
"The days are coming," declares
the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of Judah with
the offspring of men and of animals. Just as I watched over them to uproot and
tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over
them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. "In those days people will no
longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are
set on edge.' Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour
grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge. "The time is coming," declares the
LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah." Jer 31:27-30
It was
established in the Law that children would not be punished for the sins of
their father (Deuteronomy 24:16,
comp. II Kings 14:6). The
idea of generational sin does not come from a scriptural foundation, but from
world viewpoint. Colossians
2:8 describes the process by which the world develops wrong ideas
with these three terms: philosophy (a wrong idea that has no basis in truth),
vain deceit (false reasoning to support the idea) and traditions of men (wide
acceptance of the wrong idea and false reasoning to support it). This
process has only one purpose: to take away personal responsibility, create
bondage to sin and deceive people regarding the nature of
God.
This same false line of
reasoning has been spiritualized and there are those who would twist the
scriptures to try to promote the idea of generational sins or curses.
"My sin is not really my fault, it is the result of a curse put on me because
of my father’s sin, there’s nothing I can do about it, I’m not
responsible." But, there’s nothing new under the sun. Israel in
Ezekiel’s day had accepted the same world viewpoint, which prompted God to
deal with it in Ezekiel 18. When
you read it, pay particular attention to verses 1-4, 20-24 and 30-32.
Ezekiel 18:1-4 (NIV) The word of the
Lord came to me: "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the
land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set
on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer
quote this proverb in Israel. For every living soul belongs to me, the father
as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who
will die."
Ezekiel 18:14-16,18-20 (NIV) "But
suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and
though he sees them, he does not do such things: He does not eat at the
mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel... He does not
oppress anyone... He does not commit robbery, but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked... He will not die for his father's sin;
he will surely live. But his father will die for his own sin, because he
practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his
people. Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?'
Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all
my decrees, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die.
The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the
guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to
him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against
him."
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2004 11:44 PM
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies
and Generational Sin
Your analysis below is an ad hominem
attack; you don't know me nor do you understand a thing I have said in the
right context so how are you qualified to evaluate the condition of my
heart before God? Read my post again and show me where I said Jenna (or
our son-in-law) had "deep rooted" bitterness. You need to stop
listening to the accuser and pray about some of these things before shooting
from the hip.
What disgusts me is
your post below. To even imply or insinuate that the leukemia of this
poor little girl is a result of some sin in your son-in-law is absolutely
baseless. You might as well put a bullet through his head. Don’t
you think he is going through enough right now? Don’t you know that he
would give his very life to heal his daughter? How blind can you be to
the horrors of your teaching? A 4 year old child has deep rooted
bitterness? I thought that “Jenna is a sweet and loving child who ppl are
drawn to because of her personality.” You are sick. I
accept that my posts may not be the vehicle God will use to help you to see
your errors. You have never accepted rebuke from anyone on TT; your
heart is hard. Regardless of your wacked theology, God in His mercy will
never leave you or forsake you. May He soften your heart and allow you
to see His truth. May He help me love you, to submit my anger at your
teachings to Him. And most importantly, may He shower Jenna with all the
blessings in Christ Jesus.
