[TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As I read you it is apparent that your own sense of 'right and wrong' is informed by family, society and religious tradition.   jt:  As opposed to what?  TFT, Kruger, Polyani et al.   I do believe that God, Who embodies 'right & wrong' ontologically, does break through to you (us) from time.   jt: God is not metaphysical/ontological.  He is a Spirit which makes Him spiritual and so is Truth (spiritual that is)   As I listen to some of you flag-waving nut cases I cannot help but notice what political bondage you are in. ---    jt: Maybe we should hold the November elections in Toronto Lance so that all you 'enlightened ones' could show us how to do it.    From: ShieldsFamily Lance, Why? Scripturally, what basis do you have to disbelieve God can “inform” our conscience between right and wrong? Do you believe there IS a right and wrong? Please don’t ignore my questions as usual, but answer, as I would like to know what you mean. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)   I believe the 'conscience' is 'constructed' socially. I do not believe that the 'conscience' of humankind is informed by God. ----- Original Message ----- From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 19, 2004 18:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)   Romans 1.12-16 – a passage rather hard to encapsulate in a quick note.   I think v.12 speak of those who live outside the framework of Torah. I.e., “without the Law” -or- “under the law”  = “outside the framework of Torah”   In v.13, hearers of Torah (rather than readers, because of the rarity of Torah scrolls at the time) learned and memorized Torah when it was read aloud. However, if they refused to do what it said, they are sinners who will eventually die sinful.   Verses 14-16 are quite a mouthful. To stress the importance of deeds over head-knowledge of Torah or status as a Jew, Shaul pointedly speaks of Gentiles, who by definition don’t have Torah but nevertheless do naturally what Torah requires, as being for themselves already Torah because their lives show that the conduct Torah dictates is written on their heart. That non-Jews have knowledge of the eternal moral Law of God set forth in Torah is further proved when they come to explicit and conscious faith in God – on a day when God passes judgment on people’s inmost secrets, which, (according to the Gospel as Shaul proclaims it and as Yeshua Himself proclaimed it) he does… through the Messiah Yeshua. On the day people come to faith they at last admit God was right and they were wrong. Some of their behavior may prove not blameworthy, so that their consciences sometimes defend them; but some of their behavior they will then perceive is falling short of God’s standard, and their consciences will accuse them.   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature   I only wish we could get commentary from Slade and David Miller on this scripture.  I think you would find a whole different set of “eyes” seeing the meaning here. Izzy