[TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?

[Judy Taylor]

jt: I knew it!!  Didn't I just get through saying that a certain person follows educated men...? and this is right out of the horses mouth...     Iz:Be a good 'wifey' and, ask your husband. I think you said he had an education eh?   Lance, You are as easy to understand as G.  I guess that makes me dense.  You wrote below “Linda:I do for the reasons cited:soul (philsophical), spirit (poor exegesis).”  Was that actually supposed to EXPLAIN anything to me? I asked how you can explain away scriptural references to soul and spirit, and you answer “Philosophical”????????????? And I mystify? You and G must be twins. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Speaking for myself (Lance) I often find it difficult to believe (allowing for my last post to you) that you truly don't understand as much as you indicate through your questions. You reflect a level of 'puzzlement' that mystifies. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 20, 2004 12:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Jonathan, Good to hear from you my friend.  I am not taking the time to research your references. However I think I understand what you are saying.  I think we are body/soul/spirit just as God as Father/Son/HolySpirit.  Three in one. Not three different elements. What is your understanding, if there is no such thing as soul or spirit? Izzy   PS Why do you always have to answer for Lance? Cat got his tongue?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Hi Izzy,   Let me jump in here.  One thing we always have to be careful of is our blind acceptance of some of our definitions.  The soul, or spirit is one of these.  When the New Testament writers were writing the NT they had two choices for describing the spiritual: they could either make up new names or use old names, already commonly accepted but with a spin that would set them apart.  They chose the second.  The concept of soul or spirit that you and Judy have comes completely from Greek philosophy.  Whenever you see the word soul or spirit in the Bible you automatically use a skewed definition that is clearly opposite from actual scripture.  It is not rooted in scripture at all.  In other words, just because Judy gives a verse that uses the word soul or spirit does not in any way prove that they are actual entities separated from the rest of who we are.  This is completely opposite of the Hebrew revelation from the Old Testament and leads one into Gnosticism as we can easily see in Judy’s writings (Gnosticism held that human beings consist of flesh, soul, and spirit (the divine spark), and that humanity is divided into classes representing each of these elements. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0821080.html).  We must always be on the lookout for dualisms that are not present.  Please see the links below for some more detailed information and word studies.   http://www.cresourcei.org/bodysoul.html http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/soul-and-spirit.htm   Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Lance, I’m not following your logic.  Let me spell it out, since you have not.  Do you consider a soul to be a philosophy? Do you consider a spirit to be a poor exegesis? What are you saying they are? And how do you explain away the scriptural references to them? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Linda:I do for the reasons cited:soul (philsophical), spirit (poor exegesis). Judy's is a common misapprehension on both. Judy does some great research. Judy quotes scripture extensively in an attempt to support teachings gleaned from Dake & Scofield (sadly). But, I do believe her to be well-intentioned (occasionally). ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 18, 2004 17:38 Subject: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?   Lance, I am curious to know if you still believe that Human Beings do not have either a soul or a spirit, in spite of Judy’s Biblical evidence to the contrary. Izzy