RE: [TruthTalk] Administration Pressure

[Jonathan Hughes]

Title: 9/11 overview

Not sure what you are asking Izzy.  I want to give you the benefit of the doubt so I am trying not to think that you are saying, “These Palestinians are so despicable that even their own neighbors hate them and don’t want them.”  Please tell me this is not the meaning of your question.  I will demonstrate that the surrounding countries have taken them in in large numbers.  Lots of countries do have the Palestinians as refugees.  The refugee problem is so large these countries are having a very difficult time taking care of them: Table: Palestinian refugees Country population Leb: 3,400,000 Syr:14,618,393 Jor: 4,139,458 Gaza: 963,000 WB: 1,571,575 Registered refugees Leb: 352,668 Syr: 347,391 Jor: 1,358,706 Gaza: 716,930 WB: 532,438 Registered refugees as % of country population Leb: 10.4 Syr: 2.4 Jor: 32.8 Gaza: 74.4 WB: 33.9 Registered refugees as % of total registered refugees Leb: 10.7 Syr: 10.5 Jor: 41.1 Gaza: 21.7 WB: 16.1 Existing camps Leb: 12 Syr: 10 Jor: 10 Gaza: 8 WB: 19 Registered refugees in camps as % of registered refugees Leb: 54.5 Syr: 29.1 Jor: 19.0 Gaza: 55.2 WB: 27.8 Special hardship cases Leb: 35,382 Syr: 21,374 Jor: 34,335 Gaza: 59,692 WB: 28,395 Special hardship cases as % of registered refugees Leb: 10.0 Syr: 6.2 Jor: 2.5 Gaza: 8.3 WB: 5.3 Unemployment Leb: 40.0 Syr: 8.4 Jor: 18.8 Gaza: 50-60 WB: 30-40 (UNRWA, Program Planning and Evaluation Office, August 1996)     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Administration Pressure   Jonathan, Why do you think the neighboring Arab countries do not want the Palestinians? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Administration Pressure   Izzy is on the right track here; her question immediately debunks the clip posted below.  Lets go a bit farther.  If we were going to take this article seriously (which we should but not because of the authors intent but because of the completely unchristian action/thought it espouses) it would be far more likely that the storms are battering the United States FOR its support of Israel, not for its minor attempts at getting Israel to reform and stop its crimes against humanity.  I know it may sound crazy but God actually died for Arabs too.  A little critical thinking and this clip is easily refuted.  All of use are guilty of making this kind of argument at some point in our lives.  All one needs is a cause that they take seriously.  It could be anything.  Then we take any sign of judgment, like weather patterns, and apply it as a sign to verify and validate our cause.  In this case it is that the United States is supposed to allow massive crimes against humanity (i.e. the Palestinians) in order to satisfy a Zionist proposal (the concept of covenant Land).  No one will point out that God is punishing Florida and Caribbean countries instead of where the lawmakers are.  Sunny skies in Washington!  It gets silly real fast.  We of course are talking about the only nation in the world that actually does support Israel – the United States.  More aid (read massive amounts of weapons) is given to Israel by the United States than by any other country.  Without the US there is no Israel.  On the international front they are one and the same.   If one wants to do some more critical thinking on this matter I would suggest the following websites:   www.hrw.org – Human Rights Watch.  Highly recommended site.  Spend time there everyday.  Find out what is actually happening around the world.  Ignorance is not bliss!   www.amnesty.org – Amnesty International.  Click on the map on the right hand side near Israel.  Then click on Israel/Occupied Territories.  You will be shocked.  Ask yourself why the suicide bombers of the Palestinians are considered terrorism but the massive amount of attacks by Israel are not (well only in the States are they not considered terrorism as well).  Read Amnesty’s open letter to George Bush to help you understand the issues quickly.   www.johnpilger.com – Click on Palestine in the top menu (far right).  Walk through the very short essays.  These are very powerful.  It was probably through this work that I first began to understand the plight of the Palestinians.  This is not to excuse their horrible acts but it is to say that at least I know feel like I can answer the important question: why?   http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.04/Essays.04/Truth_Eng.pdf - Good discussion from both points of view.  Worth reading.  Reading anything on www.coldtype.net is interesting.  You may not agree with some of it but it will make you think and begin to wrestle with the issues at hand.   http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008O35S/qid=1095010245/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-5303035-4559105?v=glance&s=dvd Rent or buy this documentary entitled “Gaza Strip”.  It will blow you away – guaranteed.    Remember it is to the unfortunate that we are to direct our help, our lives, our hopes.  To be fully Christian is to be fully human.  Find out where people are being de-humanized and help them.  It will hurt, it will cause you a lot of suffering, but it will end theirs.  These are the real storms.  Pray against these.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Administration Pressure   It presents the problem of What about all the other countries in the path of the hurricane? Did they have anything at all to do with Israel? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Administration Pressure   I received an email today that included this clip. It relates natural disasters to the US treatment of Israel. What do you all think of this concept? -- slade AS BUSH ADMINISTRATION PRESSURES ISRAEL TO LEAVE COVENANT LAND, HURRICANE CHARLEY INTENSIFIES: Recent pressure by Bush Administration officials to divide Israel's covenant land and evict Jews from Judea, Samaria, and Gaza settlements appears to have ignited an extraordinary chain of events during the first two weeks of August that culminated in the powerful devastation wrought on the west coast of Florida by Hurricane Charley [and Hurricane Francis]. These events ... demonstrate the mighty hand of G-d's judgment that may well have been stayed given a different decision on Israel. When US Presidents and/or their administrations apply major pressure on Israel to divide her land major record-setting catastrophes or significant events occur the same day or within 24 to 48 hours. As the land and property of Israel is at risk so is the land and property of the nation applying the pressure on Israel to divide her covenant land. Read the entire article: http://www.watch.org/resources/newsletters/koenig-sr-charley.html