'Doctrine of devils'? What is it with you guys (sorry Iz, gals too) and your condemnatory speech? I worked taking complaints calls for a time. I observed that when I lowered my voice the caller most often became less 'inflamed'.
Given that taking a poll on any issue is not a means for determing the 'truth' of a matter, let me ask, David, are you conversant with current scientific/exegetical literature on this subject? Please provide illustrations. Just how far back do I have to go in order to determine where you are in this 'conversation'? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: January 02, 2005 07:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth > Lance wrote: > > Generally speaking, I believe it a good practice > > not to ask questions to which you already know > > the answer. The 'sainted one' of California did not > > find the answer to his question 'obvious' so, David, > > why not just answer? Someone, maybe St. John > > himself, alluded yesterday to a kind of 'gamesmanship' > > on your part. Funny, but I did the same thing with two > > others in the last couple of days. If, David, this is a > > 'game' to you then, let us in it in order that we too can > > 'play' > > Ah, Lance, you stepped in it big time. The answer to your query was in a > previous post to Izzy, where I said that I was going to start giving some > cryptic answers in the manner that I have received answers. Izzy was > complaining about having too work to hard to get answers to questions. I > understand her frustration, and I thought if I gave it back, the point would > be made. You made this point perfectly in the sentence above. Apparently, > you and Izzy agree that answers posted here should not be so cryptic. In > fact, what you wrote above is one of the most clear, understandable posts I > have ever read from you. Thank you. > > Alas, Slade has more accurately perceived the folly of my experiment and > perceives the persistence of a "we" versus "them" mentality if I were to > follow it. Therefore, upon the correction of our beloved moderator, I have > repented. > > The answer to why I perceived the evolutionary mindset within you is because > you stated that you believed that the Incarnation would have proceeded > whether or not Adam had sinned. This is the evolutionary paradigm, that > what exists today is greater than what existed yesterday. The evolutionary > paradigm sees the time of Adam as a lesser time, a time when man was > primitive and weak, but through time, lots of time, small steps lead to a > greater stage, and so man today exists at the pinnacle of the evolutionary > process, as the greatest he has ever been. Today, man lives longer and is > wiser and will continue to become greater. > > The creationist paradigm is that man was created strong and wise at the time > of Adam. Adam sinned and thrust man into a pattern of sinning, sickness, > and death. Man could never climb back out of this predicament on his own, > but rather, he needs a Savior. So the transgression of Adam created a need > for redemption, and part of the work of Christ was to restore man from the > results of this fall of man. This is why healing and being set free of sin > and death are elements of the gospel of Christ. > > Personally, I believe the evolutionary paradigm is a doctrine of devils, > which is why I am very curious as to what exegetical problems you perceive > to exist for the creationist paradigm. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > p.s. I thought John was talking about the Israelite, King David, when he > was talking about gamemanship. Did I misunderstand you John? > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
