In a message dated 2/9/2005 9:21:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

To be truthful with you, David, I have not thought about this in the terms
you are drawing to my attention. I will want to look into the meaning of
"condemnation" in the context it is used here. If that condemnation is as I
stated above, i.e., an effect from the initial removal of A&W from the tree
of life, I believe children do suffer that condemnation with all humanity.


Yes  -- this is most interesting to me as well.   I have never seen "condemnation" dealt with in quite the way David has approached it.   Is the death of Adam and Eve spiritual or physical.    It seems to me to be physical.   God says they will die if they eat of the one tree.   They are driven from the garden specifically because of their proximity to the other tree " ..   if they eat they live forever .  ............"   In fact, the existence of the tree of life is somewhat of a surprise to the reader of the Genesis story.      It is never even hinted at until "death" has become an issue.  

Plan B theology (as I call it) is a problem for me.  Perhaps the two of you will say something in your discussion that will open a door on that issue for me.   But please do not gear the discussion to that end.   If something is said that inadvertently effects that thinking on my part  --  so be it.   I am just thinking out loud.   I will shut up.

JD




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