Bill:IMO ONLY, Judy has 'rules of engagement' and both you and John violate them.In so doing it is simply impossible for either of you to have the conversation you could have with one another as your 'rules of engagement' (yours &Johns) are sufficiently similar to do so.
I might be wrong (but probably not) but maybe the "violation" of which you speak has something to do with our (Bill and me) taking our next breath !!! That seems to cause Judy the most pain.
Just another good guy trying to share his wisdom,
Johd David Smithson