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Whatever, Judy. None of what you say below
addresses the point at hand: it was you who claimed Jesus did not have two
natures: "not all of us
(me included) believe that Jesus had two
natures." Why do you now engage yourself in a cover up? The
post you criticized with that statement dealt with the question as to whether
Jesus was an alloy (i.e., a hybrid; thanks Terry) or a union, and you know that.
I will drop this now, but know when I do who it is that tries to confuse the
issues.
Bill
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:33
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Nature of
Jesus (God's image)
Bill when you use the term "the nature of humanity"
you are using a theological term and I have no idea whether or not you are
saying the same thing as I am. This is what I have been talking about
all along. You claim Jesus had a fallen Adamic nature just like
us. Paul describes how this works in Romans 7:17 where he says that when
he does what he really doesn't want to do that it is not he who does it but
sin that dwells in him and he later says that overcoming this tendency is in
the "power of the cross".
What I am saying is the Romans 7:17 did not apply to
Jesus when he walked this earth in a body of flesh because His flesh did not
have sin dwelling in it. (Note: Paul's sin here was not volitional)
judyt
Okay, and now you are talking about the NATURE of
his humanity. Why are you too proud to admit that? Bill
No problem with His human body Bill, it was then
just like ours is now but without the taint of sin - like Romans 7 would
not have applied to him as it does to us. Today he has a transformed
body that can walk through walls. judyt
Still trying to confuse the issue, Judy? I
told Kevin we could have a discussion on the particulars of his human
nature, but that does not suit you well, does it? Did Jesus leave
footprints when he walked in the sand? It's a little difficult to answer
that question without talking about the nature of his human body, isn't
it, Judy?
Bill
That's the wrong question, Kevin. We can
discuss the particulars of those natures if you like,
but Judy's claim is that Jesus did not have TWO
natures. Do you agree with her? Bill
jt: Kevin, I say he had a
human body and a divine nature (meaning pure and holy and in the image
of God the Father same as the first Adam) whereas Bill and his
ppl along with the Church Fathers teach that Jesus was born exactly
like us in every way or else we are not healed because what is not
assumed is not healed - to which there is no rhyme or reason.
The very facts surrounding his birth belie such an
assumption.
Which two natures are you
asking about? Human/Divine -
Impeccability/peccability of
ChristBill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: Judy wrote > It
wasn't unnoticed Lance but not all of us (me
included) believe that Jesus had two
natures.
Would all
those who believe that Jesus did not have two natures -- one fully
human, the other fully divine -- please weigh in? (the Mormons may
exclude themselves if they wish). It would be nice to know how
lonesome it's going to be around here. Bill
It
wasn't unnoticed Lance but not all of us (me
included) believe that Jesus had two
natures. We fallen ones are the double natured and double
minded ones (after we have
received Him and have been born of the Spirit) and before we grow
into the unity of the faith. Why didn't you respond to Bill's post since you seem to be able to
relate to everything he writes? judyt
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:44:43 -0500
"Lance Muir" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Gary:When you are
right.........Bill Taylor wrote a masterful treatment on the two
natures of Christ. It went largely unnoticed. And
you...you're good you! (Crystal/DeNiro) I hope it works out the
three of you to spend that time
together.
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