DAVEH:   My latest post is in GREEN........

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In a message dated 4/5/2005 8:54:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



DAVEH:  If you really don't want to continue, John...so be it.  But I would still like to know why you do not consider yourself a Protestant.  Which of the reasons mentioned in your definition.........

a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth.

......do you not accept, which would disqualify you from being a Protestant?  I have assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that you........

1) deny the authority of the Pope  
I do not accept the authority of anyone other than the word in my life.   Impute - yes;  authority - no.  

2)  belief in justification by faith alone 
justification at the point of faith  -- not faith alone;
DAVEH:   Hmmmmmmmmm.......I fail to understand the distinction.
  and this "faith" is a connection between my faith and the faith of Jesus, Himself   -------------------------     biblically speaking  "faith unto faith." 

3)  believe in a priesthood of all believers 
I do not know what this means.
DAVEH:  ???   Excepting my possible misstating it as a paraphrase.....you suggested it in your definition of Protestant.  So....why would you not know what it means, John?
  Perhaps it has something to do with what I have already said. 

4)   accept the Bible as the only source of revealed truth 
Nope.  It is my primary source of "authority, but certainly not the only one.  We, I, receive "truth" from a number of sources. 
DAVEH:   What other revealed sources do you use, John?
None of them conflict with the biblical message. 

5)  and my simplistic definition:  accept the Trinity Doctrine 
Truth be told  --  no.
DAVEH:   Ohhhhhhh.....I do find that curious.  I didn't think there were many (any) TTers who did not accept the T-Doctrine.  Thanx for sharing that with me.
   I believe in the Father and the Son.
DAVEH:   Do you believe they are one?  If so, in what sense?
  the Holy (what else would "he" be?) Spirit is the Father and/or the Son at work in this world, in my life, in the community of the saints, etc.   Paul tells us that the Spirit is Christ.  




........So John, I don't want to pigeon hole you in a category you don't feel is proper.  Which of the above criteria do you reject?

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We have an earlier post  (this evening) that is a much better start than this one.  You want me to be a Portestant, no argument.   Call me anything you want  --  just don't don't call me late to dinner.   Let's trash this post  --  shall we? 

Jd




What is going on here, with me, is that I did not like the way I responded to you in this post  and would rather start over
DAVEH:   Ohhhhhh.....now I think I understand....a little....
-------------   perhaps we are on the right track. 

Jd





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