Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:  Perry, you need to wipe the fog off your crystal ball.  Your mind reading abilities are as foggy as your logical thinking relating to the ALL discussion.   :-)     Contrary to your belief, I don't need any wiggle room at all to feel comfortable with the BofM.   Nor have I tried to convince you or Kevin that it is the word of God and should be considered to be as valid as the Bible.  However, since you introduced the (BofM) topic, let me quote a passage from 2 Nep 29 that describes those who think the Bible contains ALL.... 2) .......and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel; 3)  And because my words shall hiss forth--many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible!  We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.  4)  But thus saith the Lord God:  O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people.  And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them?  Yea, what do the Gentiles mean?  Do they remember the travels, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?  5)  O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people?  Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them.  But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.  6)  Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible.  Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 7)  Know ye not that there are more nations than one?  Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? 8)  Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word?  Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another?  Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another.  And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. 9)  And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure.  And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. 10)  Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains ALL MY WORDS; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. 11)  For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written. Charles Perry Locke wrote to DavidM: DAVEH:  Do you believe the Bible contains all things pertaining to the gospel, Kevin?   I believe that Bible contains ALL things pertaining to the gospel. In this case ALL means ALL. Dave was trying to get some wiggle room to make the BoM appear essential. It is not. It contributes absolutely nothing to the Bible. It is a plaigerized work. Any inspiration, if there was any at all, came from Satan. The Bible is ALL that is necessary to understand ALL of the gospel. Not "some of", or "most of". THAT is the point I was making to Dave. If he were to admit that the Bible contains ALL things pertaining to the gospel, then he would have to also admit the uselessness of the BoM and D&C. He HAS to make the Bible incomplete to give the mormon works any significance. (BTW, even if the Bible did not contain ALL things relative to the gospel, this would not change the fact that the mormon works are bogus!) Perry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.