Dear Perry, For an answer to your questions, Perry, please read section 76 of the D&C--it is, I understand, on-line. As to a general reply, I can only say that you seem to have the truth confused with what is familiar to just little ol' you. If it is not in the Bible, or within the realm of your limited experience, it can't be true, is that your theme? This is not only narrow reasoning, but actually sounds a little silly to the ear of one like myself who is open to all truth, regardless of where it might occur or be found. I think you believe you are a Christian, yet you do not believe as Christians did in the apostolic church. Baptism is an issue currently being discussed, what is your stand--needed or not needed for salvation? I have noticed Kevin seems to be having a tough time defending his position that baptism is not needed for salvation. Please, let's stay with this until we are perhaps able to draw some mutually agreed upon conclusions. Your many questions below are too many for me to answer in the first place, and are, I think, calculated to draw us away from this critical issue of Baptism. Blaine
-- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine, I know when you say "paradise", as a mormon, you men something differnt than when a Christian says "Paradise". And now our fellow TT'rs do, too. Thanks for pointing that out. But I must also warn our wary readers that when a mormon says "hell", it may sound as though they are talking about the same "Hell" as Christians, but they are not. Will you tell the good people a few things (unless you decide to ignore these questions like the ones for which I continue to wait for an answer. I know, the dog ate your homework, or whatever). Why not tell the good people of TT who the mormon hell is reserved for, and the difference between the mormon hell and the real Hell. Then, tell us who ends up in hell, and who makes it to the terrestrial, telestial, and celestial kingdoms of mormondom. By the way, to whom must obedient mormons give the secret handshake to enter the celestial kingdom? And, who gets called out of their grave by their secret name, and who does calls out that name? And they (the mormons) say they are not a cult. Thanks, Perry >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] baptism >Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:17:44 GMT > > > >BLAINE: Good point. I read something on that the other day--it has to do >with the word "paradise." I will have to find out where I was reading >that, but I think the word was the result of a mistranslation, and simply >meant "the world of spirits." I would not, however, pretend to judge the >thief and contest that he ended up in any place other than a good one, as I >believe God is just and takes many things into consideration. For example, >what about little children who die without baptism, as millions of third >world children do? And do we consign all Muslims to hell? Hardly. God is >just, as well as merciful, and only He can make judgements regards these >cases that fall outside the Christian view. As a Mormon Christian, I >believe God has told us some things that apply to us, but many of his >judgements he reserves to Himself. Judge not (rashly), that ye be not >judged (rashly), in other words; or, "Judgement is mine," saith the Lord. > >-- > >"ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >BTW, Blaine, maybe you covered this already, but how did the guy on the >cross next to Jesus go to Paradise if he wasn't baptized? Izzy > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:12 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] baptism > >Blaine, FYI you are not one who is in a position to determine who is/isn't >a >Christian, since you aren't one. Therefore, I, being a Christian, can >assure >you that Kevin is one. Izzy > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:34 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism > > >BLAINE: As I have said many times before, Kevin has his own religion, >which >is not Christian. He selects obscure passages that justify his vanity. >Hey >Kevin, why did Jesus insist on being baptized? Answer that question >directly without trying to get the issue sidetracked, OK? (HINT: to >fulfill ALL righteouness) > >Faith - without works > >BLAINE: Does this mean you don't like to work for a living, Kevin? (: > >Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >DAVEH: I concur, Kevin. Faith is certainly a key element of salvation, >but >I do not think it is the only element necessary for salvation. How do you >see it, Kevin....do you believe faith is the only necessary element of >salvation? > > > > >DAVEH: Hey Kevin........Do you have a problem with me using 1Cor 15:29 in >support of other Biblical passages that become cumulative evidence that the >Primitive Christians believed a water baptism was necessary for salvation? >It does lead one to that logical conclusion, does it not? > >Christians of all ages accept the clear teaching that salvation is by Faith > > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know >how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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