RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

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Dave, you are too much of a gentleman to ever be boring. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:57 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:   Time is my biggest enemy, Lance.  I started a big reply to one of DavidM's posts about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and it is only half finished.  Right now I'm running a sleep deficit, and having fallen asleep early last night at my computer while reading TT stuff....I am going to try to lurk more in the future.  Besides...I think most TTers find my thoughts rather boring, being as LDS biased as they are. Lance Muir wrote: No 'knows'rings here, Dave. Why don't you more actively enter the conversation by offering your own summary of what's been said thus far. Then, please let me know your opinion/thoughts. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 09:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   Lance Muir wrote: DH asks: 1. Did Jesus' ...By some, yes. Your counterpart would be:The reindentification of 'who jesus is' by JS. One need not extend this thinking far to conclude that either the LDS are the 'true christians' or those that reflect the teaching of Nicea. You do see this do you not? DAVEH:   Yes....however, it is also possible that neither are correct.   ONCE IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE DO NOT WORSHIP, PREACH, TEACH....THE SAME JESUS THEN, ONE OF US FOLLOWS A FALSE GOSPEL. You do see this do you not? DAVEH:   OK......I'm following you so far, Lance.   I would like to follow this conversation, tired or not, through to it's conclusion, should you permit me to do so. DAVEH:   Thank you for leading me by the nose, Lance......please continue.   thanks,   Lance  From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 01:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:  I'm a little too slow (and too tired) to ascertain your intended message, Lance.  If you want me to understand what you are trying to convey, put it in more simple terms for this dunderhead.     Did Jesus' theology nullify who God is as perceived by the Jews?  As he said....he didn't come to destroy the law, but rather fulfill it.     FWIW.......It seems to me the Jews could say something similar to you as to what you are saying to me....... YOU CANNOT PREACH THE GOD YOU PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF GOD'S CHOSEN IN ANY HISTORIC SENSE .............You do realize this, do you not? Lance Muir wrote: DaveH:I just re-read my question(s) and, find them rather clear. Please try telling me what YOU THINK I'm asking. Your analogy breaks down as it has to do with Older/Newer Testaments and the Incarnation of Christ. What you've (LDS) done is to have taken orthodox theology and nullified it with a superceding revelation as to WHO THIS JESUS IS. You then, answer the question posed by Jesus Himself in Lk 16 differently than every genuinely Christian group on the face of the earth.YOU DO KNOW THAT, DON't YOU?  YOU CANNOT PREACH THE JESUS YOU PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF CHRISTIAN IN ANY HISTORIC SENSE. YOU KNOW THIS ALSO DO YOU NOT? I fear poor old CPL might've thought I was confused as to who you actually are. I'M NOT!!   Why not take another run at it just for my sake. From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 01, 2005 10:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH   DAVEH:  I'm not exactly sure of your question, Lance.....But as I view it, the position of many TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible times.  In the OT, Scripture gave them a perception of God to which the staunchly held.  So firm in their convictions (as are many TTers), they had trouble acknowledging the Lord when he finally appeared....why....because he was more like them than they expected I suppose.  Nor did they buy into additional Scripture being added to Canon, which is another similarity shared by TTers.  Many also failed to accept new commandments or recognize the NT prophets, rather stubbornly holding fast to the eye for an eye prophets of the past.     So.....is there really much difference between the closed minds of the Jews of the Bible in contrast to the way many TTers are receptive to anything outside what they believe Scripture offers? Lance Muir wrote: Who are your teachers? What are their authorities? What 'teaching' concerning the nature/gospel of God issues from these teachers and their teaching sources? Just how 'ultimate' IYO is the James 1 experience?   IMO that which transpires herein (TT) is somewhat comparable to the 1st and, early centuries between the various factions who set out to answer such questions as those concerning the canon of Scripture and, the nature of the Person of Christ.   IMO there exists sufficient similarity between the Christ believed/lived/preached on the part of the 'camp' of the non-Mormons for them/us to be identified with the historic 'orthodox' wing of Christianity. The Mormon 'camp', having taken on board supplementary 'scriptures' and, a new line of 'prophets' commencing with Joseph Smith, cannot but fall within a 'non-orthodox' wing of Christianity.   Other than reversing my designations of orthodox/non-orthodox, just how might you disagree with what I've said? I should much like to hear from Dave and Blaine, along with any 'lurkers' on this.   thanks,   Lance   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.