Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

[Judy Taylor]

I guess you feel you made some kind of a point but it is not the point we began with which is whether or not the Bible speaks for itself.  IT DOES - No matter who does or who does not choose to hear. Those with a heart for God who continually come to the light and deal with their stuff are the stones Jesus is using to build His church - the one that the gates of hell will not prevail against.   On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:12:33 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thanks for the 'yes' even though you supplemented it with 'but'. The point therefore, has been made to both my and, your satisfaction. From: Judy Taylor Yes but you have to understand that we have an adversary who has been teaching doctrines of men and sowing confusion for the past 2,000+ years and I would include your philosophy that we can't know anything because of the enlightenment to be part of this confusion.  When all is said and done - or at the end of the day - God's Word is all that will be left standing because the temporal is passing away and His Word is eternal.   On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:34:20 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No, it does not, Judy. It does however, demonstrate that people (TT) can read the same passages and, thereafter come to differing conclusions as to their meaning. And, I mean really different conclusions! Now, I know for a certainty that I've witnessed that on numerous occasions. The participants in question have not been 'novices in the Word'. Surely you have 'seen' the same thing, have you not? From: Judy Taylor   All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in their pilgrimage through this world. Some are entering the Kingdom and others have chosen a different path. You need to read the parable fo the wheat and the tares Lance.  There are a lot of tares around, so what does their existence prove - that the Word of God has no effect in the lives of ppl?   On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:49:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I say again, the Bible does not speak for itself. We have TT before us as a living demonstration. Now, should you say that the Lord God Himself speaks to humankind and, often through the Scriptures, I'd Amen that.  From: Judy Taylor   The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come to the light and agree with Him, covenanting to follow Him and to do things His way rather than take on a form of godliness in His name.   On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:26:58 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Bible does NOT speak for itself. On this (see my formula once again) we wholeheartedly agree. Why is it that even among the 'biblicists' who are mature there exists such minimal agreement? This ain't tennis or ping pong folks, this is the God of the Cosmos! Throwing out bible verses which simply elucidate YOUR view (not HIS) leaves people confused. That's why I referenced 2 Tim 3 (KJV whole chapter). From: Judy Taylor   Because men love darkness so much that they will not come to the light so that their deeds may be made manifest.   On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:49:00 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Bible speaks for itself. DAVEH:    Are you sure about that, Izzy???  If so, why are there so many TTers wanting to speak in its behalf?   Hmmmmmm.......If the The Bible speaks for itself, then why do Street Preachers feel the need to proclaim it from the street? ShieldsFamily wrote: The Bible speaks for itself.  According to JSmith the Bible is not enough.  Who will you serve, the God of the Bible or the God of the Book of Mormon? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:12 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH:   The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy.  Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth? ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz DAVEH:    Do you suppose enduring to the end of TT would qualify!       ;-) ShieldsFamily wrote: No.  You must endure to the end “in Christ”.  Enduring to the end in JSmith doesn’t cut it.  Sorry. Iz   DAVEH:  I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare, Izzy.  Would it be OK with you if I first endure to the end before getting saved, as the Savior suggested? ShieldsFamily wrote: I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about the REAL Jesus! J Izzy -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.