Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

[Judy Taylor]

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The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart from the process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible.  

 

jt: Why not? This is what was expected of Israel under the Old Covenant.  They were expected to hear and to obey - Not study it out and decide which parts they would accept.

 

You can cast the project in whatever light you desire;  YOU play a role in what you believe the message says.   I have said it before and I say it again:  it is never "what the Bible says"  --  rather, it is always "what I beleive the Bible says." 

 

jt: For you and Lance and those who think like you.  For me it is "what the scripture says" and I work on renewing my mind accordingly. 

 

And that is precisely why we need the graciuous invention of God  ..................   He makes us correct IN HIS MIND while we DO the best that we can.  None on this forum has another approach regardless of the rhetoric. JD

 

jt: What do you mean "He makes us correct in his mind?"  Kind of like if I don't acknowledge it, it's not there?

I don't think so JD.  God has perfect eyesight and He is not doubleminded, not in the least.  jt

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lances doctrine of the incarnation conflicts with the clear teaching of God's Word and other than that he appears to ignore it.  Your problem is as stated below in your own words ie that your confidence is in what you believe concerning the Word rather than in the Word itself... and yes I believe disciples with a relationship with Christ do something other than study and memorize; they become "doers" of the Word rather than self deceived hearers only.  jt

 

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:55:12 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does it concern you that that you characterization of either Lance or myself is mistaken regarding the notion that we are confused about His Word.   I cannot speak for Lance  -- although I have in the past  --  but I do not see any confusion on his part in this regard.   As for me,  I have confidence in what I believe concerning the Word. 

 

Do you believe that disciples have a relationship with Christ that is something other than memorizing or studing the Bible? 

 

JD

 

 

 

 
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:02:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

How so JD? Since there is no relationship with the Truth outside of His Word?

The Truth Himself says: "If a man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him and we will

come into him and make our abode with him" - Since you and Lance can't be sure what His Word is then

how can you keep it?  jt

 

 

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:34:40 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I personally believe that we change because of our relationship with The Truth more than because of

conceptual correctness.    

From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
You had implied in the past that you & yours are the only ones capable of inteligent discussion. Was that the OLD JD? 

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If you are saying that we are to be like Him, conformed to His image  --  I say "duh  !!!!!"  

 

It appears, howeer that we have regressed into monologue.  

 

Jd

 

I'm talking about Truth and what the PCA have done via the Shorter Catechism is what doctrines of men

are doing constantly - you included JD.  Since His works were done before the foundation of the world and

it is written that we are predestined to be conformed to the "image of Christ" then it follows that this should be the 'chief end of man' doesn't it? - That is if God's Word means anything to us at all ....  and this has everything to do with relationship with Christ = jt

 

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:56:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am talking about a realtionship with Christ and you are talking about what?   Sorry, but I miss your point completely. 

Jd 

 

Interesting JD,

I've been attending an introductory class at the church we have been attending which is PCA. They identify with the Reformation and they like the Shorter Catechism.  I can't figure out why the first point in the Catechism does not say that the chief end of man is to be conformed to the image of Christ - after all this is what we have been predestined for and they believe in predestination. (Romans 8:29)  jt

 

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:12:20 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Not too bad of a question.   Quite often growth may appear to be vacillation.   If we define new birth as a putting on of Christ,  emphasis on a relationship,   then we might suppose that the resulting validation marking the difference between vacillation and growth is the benefit can see in the occurring changes.   If I am a better person,  growth has occurred.   If I have become more distasteful, something is wrong with the relationship.   After all, that is the way relationships work.  Soooo, "truth" can be said to exist IN THE BELIEVER if that believer becomes more and more like Christ.  

 

JD 

 

From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>

JD are you Growing or Vacillating?

 

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