Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

[Lance Muir]

What the 'hey', it's not an essential-to-being-saved issue so, the fuzzier the better. It's only Jesus guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 12:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Judy, it seems that you believe that being born with a fleshly human nature is what defiles us.  I believe it does not: it simply gives us the Propensity to sin.  We are not defiled unless/until we actually sin.  (Which Jesus obviously did not do.) That is why it does not bother DM or me to believe that Jesus was born with a human-prone-to-sin-in-all-ways-that-we-are nature, which He overcame to show us that we can also if we walk in the Spirit as He did.    You seem to see us as born already defiled.  You seem to believe that a pre-born or newborn baby that dies would go to hell.  I don’t think we are defiled/unclean when we are born.  I think that is the critical difference between our thinking on this.  Do you? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:21 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   You are the one who adds "in all respects" JD - I don't see this in scripture. What I see is "likeness" which I read as physical likeness. IOW he had a body like ours. There is a moral dimension to flesh - it is not body image only When Job says "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean" (Job 14:4) he is speaking of this moral dimension or moral cleanness and purity. This is the difference between us in the flesh and Christ's humanity.  He has always been clean and pure As a race we never have been and this is what put him on the cross.