DAVEH: I don't understand either your logic on this, or your lack of
concern for what God wants, Perry. Do you believe it is possible for
you to become perfect (as Jesus commanded in Mt 5:48)? Or is that a hypothetical
that you think is a pure waste of time?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Hypothetical arguments may be useful in logic and science,
but when it comes to religion I prefer reality to hypotheticals.
That is why it is a pure waste pf time.
DAVEH: I find that an interesting response, Perry. Why do you think
it is *a pure waste of time* to consider what God wanted, and Lucifer
frustrated? Extrapolating that logic, it would be a waste of time for
folks to talk about becoming perfect as commanded by the Lord.
Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is *a
pure waste of time* to conjecture otherwise.
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:31:18 -0700
DAVEH: No. But I think you must have missed the beginning of my
questions to Terry. I started with the premise of what would have
happened IF A&E had not transgressed in the first place. I assume
you believe there would have been people who had sinned as well as
those who had not sinned. My curiosity is about what you folks think
would have been the pertinence of Jesus coming to the earth to those
who had not sinned.
Judy Taylor wrote:
*jt: Dave do you know of anyone other
than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself - who never sinned? judyt*
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:28:07 -0700 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes:
*Jesus loved me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear
to be based on numbers.*
DAVEH: I fully agree. However, I was trying to explore a bit
further what you believe about how Jesus' sacrifice is pertinent
to anybody who had never sinned.
Terry Clifton wrote:
Boy! I hate it when people force
me to think on my time off. It's hard enough to do it on the job.
There are those who do not sin and still die. They are called
fetuses by those who murder them, unborn children by those who
would rather they live. There is no way that they can sin in
thought or deed, yet they die, so sin brought death to all.
I believe that had I been the only sinner on earth, *Jesus loved
me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear to be based
on numbers.* One fact, one opinion. You would have very little
trouble arguing against the opinion. The fact is self evident.
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: Assuming that some
would not have sinned....would all
who did not sin live forever, and those who did sin would die?
And...what effect would Jesus' sacrifice be to those who did not
sin? IOW....would Jesus have given his life for the sinners
only, and the others would not have need of anything from Jesus?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: I'm curious. What
do you folks believe would have
happened if A&E had not fallen? Would their children have
been perfect, or could some have sinned while others remained
without sin? And what effect would that have had on the world?
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Since we all have free will to obey or disobey, any human from
Adam on could choose to sin. As slick as the devil is and as
stupid as people are, I think it;s safe to assume that all
would have sinned. The world today would not be much different.
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