Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--A&E

[Dave Hansen]

will you kindly tell all of us how you, as a Mormon, understand these events? DAVEH:  Getting into that will likely just get Perry excited again, Lance!   But....that has not worried me too much in the past.....     Let me give you the short explanation.  I believe God intended A&E to transgress.  Why?  For several reasons.  First......to learn the difference between good and evil.  If God did not want A&E to know about evil, why did he allow Satan to exist in the paradise we know as the Garden of Eden?  The world was not yet in a fallen state, yet Satan seemed to have free reign....     Second, I believe mortality is an important step in what LDS folks call eternal progression.  Without the step of mortality, our progression back to heaven is effectively stopped.  We consider it to be damnation.     Third, LDS theology suggests that had A&E not transgressed, they would not have been able to have had children.  Just imagine the situation that would occur IFF A&E had not transgressed, yet had descendants who would have transgressed.     We know that Jesus was foreordained to be our Savior before A&E even existed.  (I assume you agree with that premise.)  To me, that is a good indication that God knew what A&E would do when tempted by Satan.  He then set the stage for that event to happen, so that the plan of salvation could unfold in a manner that God planned and intended.     We all know what did happen.  It is my belief that God intended it to happen that way.  Yet most Christians seem to think God's plan was interrupted by A&E's transgression.  I see it exactly the opposite....God was not fooled or impeded in implementing the plan of salvation.  It was carefully laid out and continues to be implemented to this day, just as the Lord planned it. Lance Muir wrote: To DaveH:   I also would like to hear YOU on this. Utilizing all that you know and, employing terminology that would be meaningful to any Mormon, will you kindly tell all of us how you, as a Mormon, understand these events? ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 07:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--A&E You have brought this up in the past on TT DaveH but it didn't last long because there is no place to go with it. By definition all anyone could come up with is their own speculation.  God wasn't caught blindsided. He knew and prepared for this "BEFORE the foundation of the world" so it's too late for "shoulda, coulda, woulda" now. Do you mind if I ask why this subject is so interesting to you??   On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:42:09 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH:  May I suggest another topic of interest to me?  I am curious as to if any of you folks ever consider what would have happened IF Adam and Eve had not transgressed.  Does that discussion ever come up with you folks? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:    Look  --  what are we going to discuss here on TT?   We have pretty much said all that can be said about any number of subjects.    jd    -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.