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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005
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Blainerb: Sounds more like some of Joseph Smith's tom-foolery! He was
famous for saying ridiculous things for a laugh! Once while the Nauvoo
temple
was being built, and the sunstone with the round-faced image of God
carved on
it was about to be put into place, someone asked if that was what God
looked
like. He replied that it was, except his nose was just a smidgeon wider!
Both he and the man who asked the question got a good laugh! Where is
your
sense of humor, Kevin?
In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:14:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joe was an Occultist who sacrificed animals
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The angel appeared on September 22 every year four years in a row. None
of
the other dates corresponded to Trumpets.
It had more to do with being a observer of SIGNS in the heavens. Jo was an
Astrologer who did all his "work" on days of Occult and Astrologic
significance
Pagans observe the "holy day" of the Autumn Equinox on the date in 1827
also. The "angel" of light had appeared on the night of the Autumnal
equinox,
between midnight and dawn--hours auspicious for a magical invocation
In what follows most Mormons will not find a story with which they are
familiar. Instead, they will discover that Joseph Smith evidently
participated
extensively in magical pursuits and that he shared with others of his
contemporaries a magic world view of the world. For myself, I have found
that the
'official version' of early Mormon history is sometimes incomplete in its
presentation and evaluation of evidence, and therefore inaccurate in
certain
respects." (Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, Introduction, Quinn
pages
xx-xxi)
In discussing the discovery of the Book of Mormon, Quinn notes that Smith
prayed to be guided to the plates for three years in succession on the
autumnal
equinox. On September 21, 1823, for example, Smith prayed under the full
moon on a Sunday night that was ruled by his own ruling planet, Jupiter.
The
hours of his prayer and vision were ruled by planets and the moon, making
the
time particularly propitious for the summoning of and communing with a
good
spirit. (Smith also owned a talisman which had the magic seal of Jupiter
and
the Latin words "Confirmo O Deus potentissimus" on one side, and the
astrological symbol for Jupiter, Jupiter's magic number (136), and a magic
table in
Hebrew lettering that added up to 136 on the other side.)
Review of Early Mormonism and the Magic World View D. MICHAEL QUINN
_http://www.signaturebooks.com/reviews/magic.htm_
(http://www.signaturebooks.com/reviews/magic.htm)
Joseph Smith, jun. was born December 23, 1805 during the first Decan of
Capricorn whose ruling planet is Jupiter, which is also the governing
planet for
the year 1805.
Dr. Durham director of the LDS Institute of Religion at the University of
Utah as well as president of the Mormon History Association "...The
purpose of
the Table of Jupiter is talismanic magic [sic] was to be able to call upon
the celestial intelligences assigned to the particular talisman to assist
one
in all endeavors. The names of the deities... who could be invoked by the
Table were always written on the tailsman or represented by various
numbers;
three such names were written on Joseph Smith's talisman... Abbah, Father;
El
Ab, Father is God; and Josiphiel, Johovah speaks for God... When properly
invoked, with Jupiter being very powerful and ruling in the heavens, these
intelligences by the power of ancient magic guaranteed to the possessor of
this
tailsman to gain of riches and favor and power and love and peace and to
confirm
honors and dignities and councils. Tailsmanic magic further declared that
any one who worked skillfully with this Jupiter table would obtain the
power of
stimulating anyone to offer their love to the possessor of the
talisman..."
Dabbling in the occult, Smith apprenticed with a man described as "a
peripatetic magician, conjurer and fortuneteller," from whom he learned
the era's
folk concepts of crystal gazing, divining rods, seer stones, and rituals
associated with treasure hunting. He advised others in their pursuits,
once
instructing a neighbor he could locate buried money on his property by
slitting the
throat of a black sheep and leading it in a circle on the land.
Increasingly ridiculed as a necromancer and money digger, Smith kept
details of his
continuing revelations to himself, confiding only in his parents,
siblings, and,
by early 1827, in young Emma Hale, with whom he had eloped. All the while
he
patiently awaited an order from the angel Moroni that it was time to
retrieve
the golden book.
It was an auspicious night for communing with spirits, according to the
astrological handbooks of the day. "Jews throughout the world celebrated
the
Feast of Trumpets, which initiates the Days of Awe," or Rosh Hashanah,
academic
journals later noted in an attempt to seek association between Smith and
Judaism. Almanacs published near Smith's home reported the date was "both
the
autumnal equinox and a new moon, an excellent time to commence new
projects." A
publication in nearby Canandaigua reported "the moon was also in Libra,
when
one should 'Delve and Dig.' "
The twenty-one-year-old Smith dressed himself in black, then borrowed a
black horse and sleigh for the ride to the hill of Cumorah. He had been
"commanded to go on the 22d day of September 1827 at 2 o'clock," Smith's
sister later
wrote.
American Massacre: The Tragedy At Mountain Meadows, September 1857 Denton
_http://www.northshire.com/siteinfo/bookinfo/0-375-72636-5/0/_
(http://www.northshire.com/siteinfo/bookinfo/0-375-72636-5/0/)
NOTE The Greater Key of Solomon, page 122, says that "Sometimes white
animals are sacrificed to the good Spirits and black to the evil."
Richard L. Anderson Brigham Young University Studies, Spring 1970, page
294
The Professor quotes the following from M. Wilford Poulson's notes of a
conversation with Wallace Miner: "I once asked Stafford if Smith did steal
a
sheep from him. He said no, not exactly. He said, he did miss a black
sheep, but
soon Joseph came and admitted he took it for sacrifice but he was willing
to
work for it. He made wooden sap buckets to fully pay for it."
C. R. Stafford testified concerning the same incident: "Jo Smith, the
prophet, told my uncle, William Stafford, he wanted a fat, black sheep. He
said he
wanted to cut its throat and make it walk in a circle three times around
and
it would prevent a pot of money from leaving." (Naked Truths About
Mormonism, January 1888, page 3)
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You forgot to put LOL after your comment--surely you were jesting!! :>)
The angel appeared on September 22 every year four years in a row. None
of
the other dates corresponded to Trumpets.
Hey did you know the appearance of Elijah to JS and Oliver C. was on 16
Nisan? It was The Day of the Lord--he was crucified on Friday, 14 Nisan.
That
combination happens very seldom. The Jews have been predicting Elijah's
appearance on the
Passover (14 Nisan) for centuries--16 Nisan is very close, but not right
on.. If the devil was in it, as you say, would he not have used 14 Nisan
instead of 16 Nisan?
Blaine
In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:55:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The devil knew, Blaine. Heâs such a cunning fake. iz
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BTW, I am partially inclined to agree with you that all has not been
fulfilled--the gold plates were first delivered to the Prophet JS on the
day of the
Feast of Trumpets. JS never pointed this out--not sure he even knew
it--but
it is true. Check it out--September 22, 1827.
