RLDS Temple
Could this be the Jedi temple?
From the outside, the Jedi Temple appears as a high-raised ziggurat building in a stepped design, with five spires built on top, one taller spire
surrounded by four smaller ones. These spires symbolize a Jedi's climb to enlightenment.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DH, I am surprised at your comments against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have a stick atop your buildings rather than a cross?
jd
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From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Christ did not tell us to take up a borrowed tomb, Dave. We are told to take up our cross.
DAVEH: Of course not, Terry. The tomb was a place of refuge or even a sanctuary, if anything. Jesus told us we would have to bear the burdens of the world, but we could find life in him, and our burdens would be lifted! Trust me, Terry....the cross was a burden for Jesus to carry. We are just lucky (a dirty word in this forum) that we are not required (which is what that verse would mean as understood by most Christians) to carry a burden anywhere near as heavy as the one he bore. To understand that passage to mean that the cross is a good symbol that should be embraced by Christians is simply ignoring the real message of that verse.
Those wearing one are sending a message that they follow Christ.
DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively fail to understand the message they are sending, IMHO. As I've explained before, the world recognizes the cross as a symbol of death. And for anybody familiar with the historical meaning of what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and death........is simply incredible to me.
Those with one marking their grave are saying the same thing.
DAVEH: Huh!?!?!?! Are you serious, Terry??? Is that what many Christians believe? If so, you are going to have a big problem with the ACLU due to such an attitude. Don't get me wrong....I'm no supporter of the ACLU. But if that is how Christians understand the crosses at cemeteries like the one of Normandy graves I posted a few days ago, it is just going to fuel the fire to the enemies of Christianity who will want all those crosses removed, as there are many buried beneath them that were not Christians. I respectfully request that you rethink your position on that one, Terry.
This, of course, is not always true, but that cannot be helped
DAVEH: If Christians try to impose their thinking (such as yours, Terry), it will be helped by enemies of Christianity. They will simply seek to remove all the crosses at such cemeteries as the one above, and have good cause to do so given the beliefs harbored by many Christians as yourself.
They are as screwed up as the Mormons.
DAVEH: I can only assume you are referring to Blaine, and not me...... ;-)
Terry Clifton wrote:
Christ did not tell us to take up a borrowed tomb, Dave. We are told to take up our cross. Those wearing one are sending a messsage that they follow Christ. Those with one marking their grave are saying the same thing. This, of course, is not always true, but that cannot be helped. Anything good will always be faked.
To answer your other question, I criticize almost every thing about the Catholic religion. They are as screwed up as the Mormons. Don't even try to understand. It would be a waste of time. IMO, of course, and that is a shame.
Terry
Dave Hansen wrote:
The cross, like the tomb, is empty.
DAVEH: So why don't Christians hang a symbol of the tomb (stone) around their neck or decorate their edifices with something less representative of the tools of God's enemies? As I see it, the tomb was at least a sacred place, where Jesus' friends were relatively comfortable. It was also a place where they cared for Jesus' body, and near where Mary first saw the resurrected Christ. To me, it would be far more significant than the instrument that brought such pain, misery and death to our Lord. I just don't understand why anybody would glorify something that was glorified by the enemies of Jesus.....
BTW.....Do you criticize the RCC practice of idolizing/memorializing the crucifix? I don't see much distinction between what they do, and what most non Catholic Christians do in their glorification of the cross. Just because one depicts the actual usage of the cross to bring pain and death to our Savior isn't much different to me than a cross that remained after Jesus was killed and hauled off to the tomb.
I think you are missing something important here
DAVEH: No Terry.....I don't think I'm missing anything, Terry. Lest you forget, Christ arose from the tomb....not the cross.
Terry Clifton wrote:
I think you are missing something important here Dave. The cross, like the tomb, is empty. Jesus won the victory (for us). The only people who still have Him on the cross are Catholics. We "Protestants" celebrate an empty cross. The one we deserved was occupied by another, but, Praise God, no more. The empty cross is a precious reminder of how much we are loved.
Terry
Dave Hansen wrote:
What does the CROSS "REPRESENT"
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with Blaine, Kevin. This topic is of particular interest to me, as I've seen quite a few crosses at the sides of highways I travel.. Quite often, they indicate places where people have died, or in the case of cemeteries.....where they are buried...........
..........In the past couple thousand years, many Christians have idolized the cross to depict the death of Jesus.........
.......which to me seems rather bizarre to me....if not macabre. Some Christians have taken to wearing jewelery, and displaying crosses in their abodes and places of worship.........
.........As I see it, those crosses depict the cruel tool used to bring not only much pain and suffering to our beloved Savior, but also the device that was used by God's enemies to kill our Lord. This inhumane instrument was designed not only to kill God's children, but at the same time to punitively torture them in a humiliating and degrading way. It always amazes me that some Christians would have such an affinity to such a devilish device that brings pain, suffering and death to the minds of many who see it, and especially to those who were victims of it.
I'm curious as to how you would feel about something similar, Kevin. I don't know if you have any children, but for the sake of this discussion let's assume you do. If your enemy were to maliciously use a knife to torture your daughter for a couple days to the point that the wounds killed her, would you be predisposed to wear a piece of jewelry on a chain around your neck in the form of a knife to remind you of what the guy did to your daughter? And, how would you feel if you drove by a gun & knife store, and saw a sign depicting knives that looked similar to the one that killed your daughter......Would it bring back fond memories?
LDS folks appreciate the dying sacrifice of our Lord in our behalf. But we don't glorify the tool that killed him. It sickens me to think of man's inhumanity that would bring such pain, suffering and death to one who did not deserve it. Nor do we idolize the cross as do so many others. Rather, we prefer to remember his sacrifice and glorify his Father---not the cross--- for the resurrection of his Son.
FWIW.....We have a large Christian church near us that a few years ago put 3 large prominent crosses on their building that are lit up at night with blue lights that are very noticeable to the cars passing by on the freeway........
http://www.rollinghills.org/about_us/campus/index.cfm
.........This picture really doesn't show them very well compared to the cars on the freeway, as it is taken from the wrong angle and at quite a distance. I have sometimes wondered if Jesus were to travel that road, what would he think if he were to pass such an edifice that memorializes his death in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he would wince at such a sight. And......It bothers me to think that some would pain him in such a callous way.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Exactly they bought into the counterfeit.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:...
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
North Star, which represents Jesus Christ.
What does the CROSS "REPRESENT" Blaine?
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