I
don't believe you understand His nature at all Lance; also I fail to see why
it is so important to you that he be
God walking around on earth - why not allow
him to be as the scripture reveals.
cd: Judy - see scripture revealing more of Christ
also.
Lance and Baxter's "dancing around" theory has some very good
points/teachings if one looks past the undertones of Augustness - which
Calvin popularized to the protestant world (notice Blaine and Dave I said
protestant world which Armenians - I my opinion-aren't a part of as the
doctrines are separate/differant.).
Thanks for this Dean but I don't see the
relevance of this "so called" divine procession and I can't see an
"eternal"
son in scripture. He did not have two
births and was not a creation of the Father at the
beginning.
The point I am hoping to make is that Christ was more than
a man while on earth. If a king took off his royal clothing and put on rags
and emptied himself of most of his wealth and went out into the cold so as
to experience what the common man experienced he would still be a King only
one in rags. This king would know he was still a king-as Christ identified
himself as such - He knew that He was more than a man and considered himself
equal with God-His covering didn't make up his identity- rather who He was
made that identity foremost. He remember a Glory that was shared with
the Fathers before the world began - How can any man hold a memory of that
magnitude and still be just a man?
Well to everything there is a season and a
time for every purpose under heaven. When he was born in that
manger
in Bethlehem it was in human form - a
little lower than the angels, even though we do have the prophetic
voices
telling us that he would be so much
more. He is now our Prophet, Priest, and King.
Job asked God for a Mediator as a go between God and man - God
honored that request and sent down a Mediator who could experience both
sides of the issue.
I believe Job was speaking prophetically
see (Job 19:25) where he says "I know that my redeemer lives and that he
shall stand at the latter day upon the earth"
Christ by walking in the form of man with the temptations of a
man - due to the flesh- Yet was also able to relate with God's side of the
issue in his divinness. Hope this helps and know that this is my
understanding-if anything can be added to help my understanding please do
so-Thank you.
It is after his death (as a
man)
burial and resurrection that God the Father exalted
Him and gave Him a Name above every Name so that at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every
tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of
God the Father.
cd: I see God as honoring Christ for the work on the cross-but
knees bowed to him here while on earth also-The soldiers fell backwards to
their knees in the garden when Christ said "I am" and many others bowed
before Him which was allowed as He was God in the flesh.Remenber He
identified himself as the great "I am". This is identifying himself as
God.Yes he was made in the flesh a little lower than the Angles but still
commanded those same angles as He could have called 12 legions to His
defense-in the wilderness of temptation these Angels came and
served/ministered to him in the form of servants. No Angel ever allowed a
man to bow before them-Yet Christ allowed this to be so.He was therefore
greater than the Angels and hence much more than the common
man.
I think I know where you are going with this,
David. I will of course agree that Jesus was exalted after his
death and resurrection, and you will say that this somehow corroborates
Judy's view that Jesus was not God all the while he was on earth (at
least, I think this is what she has implied). Do you agree with her on
that, then? Yes/No. As for his exaltation, my answer is that it had to do
with his position; it was not a change in nature.
Lance
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
- incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus
exalted in any way, after his crucifixion?
Does the following _expression_ by Peter
also puzzle you?
Acts 2:36
(36)
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made
that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
David
Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006
12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy
'what about Jesus made Him divine'. It is not as if he were a man
to whom a special endowment were added or superimposed, 'making'
him God. He is divine because he is God the Son who has existed from
eternity, of one nature with the Father and Spirit, come AS
A human being. Your question is like asking what makes God God. He
ain't Clark Kent, Judy who needs only to remove his robe thus
revealing his Superman garb.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006
10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made
him divine?
Since you say you know what it was not -
can you now tell me what it is?
judyt
Lance wrote:
It was not the Holy Spirit "in" Jesus that made him divine,
if it were then all believers would be equally divine.
Yes; this is what I thought
to myself also when I read Judy's post about
that.
D
cd: Lance and
Debbie- what bearing do you view Jesus having that
spirit "without measure" have on you
statement?
Albert Barns wrote:
Joh 3:34
-
Whom God hath sent - The Messiah.
Speaketh the words of God - The truth, or commands of
God.
For God giveth not the Spirit - The Spirit of God.
Though Jesus was God as well as man, yet, as Mediator, God
anointed him, or endowed him with the influences of his
Spirit, so as to be completely qualified for his great
work.
By measure - Not in a small degree, but fully,
completely. The prophets were inspired on particular
occasions to deliver special messages. The Messiah was
continually filled with the Spirit of God. "The Spirit dwelt
in him, not as a vessel, but as in a fountain, as in a
bottomless ocean (Henry).