> [Original Message]
> From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Date: 1/16/2006 5:36:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"
>
> Benny Hinn, another 'inspired' teacher/evangelist, once said that each of
> the Father, Son and Spirit was a trinity and thus, nine Gods. He also
finds
> himself clever in the questions he puts forward to his hearers.
cd: Now you have gone and done it Lance :-) Should have left B. Hinn out of
It.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: January 15, 2006 23:10
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"
>
>
> > The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three. What do
you
> > do
> > with texts that speak about the Seven Spirits of God?
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"
> >
> >
> > I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of
> > "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual
> > reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity"
is a
> > sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point of truth.
Equivalency
> > is a word that figures into my discussion. I am sure you understand the
> > implication.
> >
> > jd
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration.
It
> >> is
> >> a word of philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is a
> >> philosophically loaded word. The various words of the Greek language
that
> >> have been translated "Godhead" have at their root the word "theos," and
> >> therefore, "Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is
> >> not.
> >> The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for this word.
> >>
> >> David Miller
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"
> >>
> >>
> >> Your response has nothing to do with my comments, near as I can see.
> >> My point is this: every English word in our bible is "added " to the
> >> original text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are both
> >> translations of the orgiinal word and/or thought.
> >>
> >> jd
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Judy Taylor
> >>
> >> Here we go again - And who is the one who denied staking everything on
> >> translational and Gk
> >> arguments - very, very, recently?. judyt
> >>
> >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >> Here is an approximation of the [NT] biblical language"
> >>
> >> gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz swhzev Cristy
> >>
> >> All other words [in [English] translation] are "non-biblical."
> >> "Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor
> >> "trinity " in the place of "Godhead."
> >>
> >> Our translations are copies of the original tex t (as best as we can
> >> reconstruct that text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in
biblical
> >> history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the
> >> English
> >> translations.
> >>
> >> To argue without end over "Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about
> >> nothing. I have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has
> >> to read "godhead" or "divine nature."
> >>
> >> jd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: "Lance Muir"
> >>
> >> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when speaking of WHO Jesus is:
> >> Insofar as the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject
under
> >> discussion it may be viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary.
> >>
> >> May I ask that anyone responding to the above take the time to outline
> >> their
> >> own position on this.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Judy Taylor
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
> >> NOT
> >> DIVINE
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know about all that Lance. What exact part of him are you
calling
> >> "his humanity" Is it the body or the soul?
> >> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?" These are brand new terms
> >> someone has come up with. Could this
> >> be called "adding to the Word of Truth?"
> >>
> >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir"
> >> writes:
> >> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place
> >> between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this
> >> post
> >> by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of
> >> the
> >> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks of.
> >> (i.e.
> >> godliness)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Messag e -----
> >> From: Taylor
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity
> >>
> >>
> >> BillT wrote: The oneness of God is therefore not a number nearly so
much
> >> as
> >> it is a unity: the unifying
> >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >>
> >> DAVEH responds: Any room for individuals in that equation?..........The
> >> oneness of God is therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit & Bill.
> >>
> >> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way
> >> that
> >> Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the
humanity
> >> of
> >> Christ is not divine, neither am I divine. What I am is included in the
> >> humanity of the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal
fellowship
> >> and community of the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And
because
> >> of
> >> the inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h is
> >> divinity, I will forever be included in the loving union of the
Trinity,
> >> the
> >> oneness of God.
> >>
> >> Good question, though,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dave Hansen
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> .........Does that work in your theological paradigm?
> >>
> >> Taylor wrote:
> >> Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a singularity, like many
> >> people think of "one" in the statement "God is one," then the greatest
> >> human
> >> expression of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for
that
> >> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is "one" -- and has
> >> been
> >> from eternity -- precisely because of the other-centered love which
> >> exists
> >> between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father in the Holy
> >> Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a number nearly so much
as
> >> it
> >> is
> >> a unity: the unifying
> >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish; you're on a roll.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >> --
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