Benny Hinn, another 'inspired' teacher/evangelist, once said that
each of
the Father, Son and Spirit was a trinity and thus, nine
Gods. He also finds
himself clever in the questions he puts forward
to his hearers.
> The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume
Three. What do you
> do
> with texts that speak about
the Seven Spirits of God?
>
> David Miller.
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Fw:
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>
> I do
not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept
of
> "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological
and contextual
> reasons. Call it philosophy if you
will. The inclusion of "trinity" is a
> sound choice if it ,
in fact, arises from a point of truth.
Equivalency
> is a word that figures into my discussion. I
am sure you unders tand the
> implication.
>
>
jd
>
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> From: "David Miller" <
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>
>>
The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration.
It
>> is
>> a word of philosophers, a word constructed
by theologians, and it is a
>> philosophically loaded word. The
various words of the Greek language that
>> have been
translated "Godhead" have at their root the word "theos,"
and
>> therefore, "Godhead" is an appropriate translation
whereas "Trinity" is
>> not.
>> The root for "three"
is not found in the Greek language for this
word.
>>
>> David Miller
>>
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>> From:
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical
language"
>>
>>
>> Your response has nothing
to do with my comments, near as I can see.
>> My point is this:
every English word in our bible is "added " to the
>> original
text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are
both
>> translations of the orgiinal word and/or
thought.
>>
>> jd
>>
>>
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>> From: Judy
Taylor
>>
>> Here we go again - And who is the one who
denied staking everything on
>> translational and
Gk
>> arguments - very, very, recently?.
judyt
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000
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writes:
>>
>> Here is an approximation of the [NT]
biblical language"
>>
>& gt; gar nomoz tou pneumatoz
thz swhzev Cristy
>>
>> All other words [in [English]
translation] are "non-biblical."
>> "Incarnate" is no less a
"biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor
>> "trinity " in the
place of "Godhead."
>>
>> Our translations are copies
of the original tex t (as best as we can
>> reconstruct that
text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in biblical
>>
history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of
the
>> English
>>
translations.
>>
>> To argue without end over
"Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about
>> nothing. I have
just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has
>> to
read "godhead" or "divine nature."
>>
>>
jd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Lance
Muir"
>>
>> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology
when speaking of WHO J esus is:
>> Insofar as the language one
chooses accurately reflects the subject under
>> discussion it
may be viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even
necessary.
>>
>> May I ask that anyone responding to
the above take the time to outline
>> their
>> own
position on this.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
From: Judy Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Cc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
>> NOT
>>
DIVINE
>>
>>
>> I don't know about all that
Lance. What exact part of him are you calling
>> "his humanity"
Is it the body or the soul?
>> Also what exactly is a
"trinitarian nature?" These are brand new terms
>> someone has
come up with. Could this
> ;> be called "adding to the Word of
Truth?"
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500
"Lance Muir"
>> writes:
>> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft
spoken of the disconnect that may take place
>> between
theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in
this
>> post
>> by Bill, a more thoroughgoing
teaching, along with the apprehension, of
>> the
>>
Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks of.
>> (i.e.
>>
godliness)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Messag e
-----
>> From: Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love
and trinity
>>
>>
>> BillT wrote: The oneness
of God is therefore not a number nearly so much
>>
as
>> it is a unity: the unifying
>> love of God in
koinonia -- Father, Son, and H oly
Spirit.
>>
>>
>> DAVEH responds: Any room for
individuals in that equation?..........The
>> oneness of God is
therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit &
Bill.
>>
>> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in
that circle of love in the way
>> that
>> Christ's
humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity
>> of
>> Christ is not divine, neither am I divine.
What I am is included in the
>> humanity of the divine Christ
and thus included in the eternal fellowship
>> and community of
the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And because
>>
of
>> the inseparable union of the person of Christ, his
humanity with h is
>> divinity, I will forever be included in
the loving union of the Trinity,
>> the
>> oneness of
God.
>>
>> Good question,
though,
>>
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message
-----
>> From: Dave Hansen
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] love and
trinity
>>
>>
>>
>> .........Does
that work in your theological paradigm?
>>
>> Taylor
wrote:
>> Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a
singularity, like many
>> people think of "one" in the
statement "God is one," then the greatest
>> human
>>
_expression_ of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for
that
>> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is
"one" -- and has
>> been
>> from eternity -- precisely
because of the other-centered love which
>> exists
>>
between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father in the
Holy
>> Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a number
nearly so much as
>> it
>> is
>> a unity:
the unifying
> ;> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit.
>>
>> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish;
you're on a roll.
>>
>> Bill
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