In other words, in the same way that we speak of the likeness of Christ to Father God, so also we should speak of his likeness to humanity and human flesh.
David Miller.
cd: Can that likeness to human flesh also be a reflection of Christ's mental capacity?Did that capacity have the likeness to man or was there more?John the Baptist was said to be greatest among men-yet Christ was greater-How can both be true David if He was only a man? Could Christ be greater than the greatest man and only be a common man?The least in heaven is greater than John-yet there is none greater than Christ in heaven-if so they would have been able to open the book described in Rev.-none could. Yes, He was sent in the likeness of man and more-much more.What man can retain the memory of sharing glory with God from creation?
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE
Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so
much like it as to be indistinguishable. When we say that Jesus is the
image of Father, or that he is like the Father, so much so that when you
have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, it might be inappropriate to say
that Jesus is like the Father, but not exactly like him. Do you see it
differently, Judy? David Miller.
I don't know .... When He walked the earth as a man He was not the Father
because He prayed to the Father and when He said these words to Philip ie:
"If you have seen me you have seen the Father" (John 14:9) I believe He is
referring to the ministry rather than to Himself personally because everything
He said and did (both works and words) he had first seen the Father saying
and doing which he explains further in John 14:10 and John 5:19.
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From: Judy Taylor
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT
DIVINE
Only a similitude or likeness even "in every way" is not the exact same
thing JD.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:30 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind,
or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for
then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as" Every
human being born by procreation into this fallen world
is also fallen. There is none righteous and none that does good .... EXCEPT
ONE.
Judy argues "like us" in total disregard of the additional phrase "IN EVERY
WAY"
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:16:00 -0700 "Taylor" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I was just wanting to better understand what you were wanting me to agree
with in your statement: we agree if you view the Human part to also have
divine thoughts. Having read your response I am comfortable that we can
agree. The word "preoccupied" has a ring to it with which I am not
completely satisfied, but I believe the man Jesus was preoccupied with doing
the will of his heavenly Father; hence his thought-life was fully intuned to
the divine.
If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind,
or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for
then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as" Every
human being born by procreation into this fallen world
is also fallen. There is none righteous and none that does good .... EXCEPT
ONE.
And, while I understood what you were saying, I also hesitate to speak of
the person of Christ in terms of "parts": if he is fully human and fully
divine, then he is not partly one and partly the other. Anyway, I knew what
you meant and could thus look through it.
Thanks,
Bill
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From: Dean Moore
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From: Taylor
So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you as a
human have "divine thoughts"?
Bill
cd: Yes to a limited degree-but I cannot hold the perspective that Christ is
limited in His divine thinking.I realize that the flesh would influence one
thinking to my limited 'divine 'thoughts but with Christ who walked
according to the Spirit I see no limitations. Nor do I admit there has to be
such weakness in us as we also have the Spirit-We simply are not willing to
pray and fast and abstain from things as one should to weaken this flesh and
hence allow more diviness to control us.
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From: Dean Moore
cd: Yes we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine thoughts.
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From: Taylor
If I understand you correctly, Dean, you believe that Christ while walking
this earth was fully God. I DO TOO. And if I understand you correctly, you
also believe that Christ while on this earth was fully human. I DO TOO.
Bill
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