Noone is saying that Jesus did not have a flesh body
from his birth on - Not here anyway; so where do you get this?
"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist,
which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." 1John
4.3
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
What person among us indwelt with the Holy
Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ was born with David's blood running
through his veins?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things
in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of
David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to
you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his
tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and
knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of
his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to
sit on his throne," (Acts 2.29-30).
Although it was by way of his adoption by Joseph that
he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by way of adoption
that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to him "according to the
flesh":
"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the
seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"
(Joh 7.42).
"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was
born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom
1.3).
"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of
David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim 2.8).
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of
David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus
absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David
on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to
Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to
seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ"
(Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that Abraham's Seed finds
fulfillment in Christ. That would be a blasphemous thought: "What
purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of
transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom
the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).
You know, Judy, you always say "Show me
in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or
are you going to live by your words?
Bill
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
, neither God nor Man
Luke
writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act
2.30):
Not
exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him,
that of
the fruit of his loins,
according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his
throne."
Right,
so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph is in David's
lineage but he is
hardly
the biological father of Jesus is he? Even though Jesus is
born in his lineage.
hence he was not some kind of new humanity,
freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen
humankind;
No, he
is human like David was human, born on our side of the
fall.
He did
not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did not have
a human father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he was most definitely
not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy
ATST
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before
Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David'
predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated
David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his
Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him.
No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification)
is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who
covenants with Abraham.
So?? Noone here disputes
his heritage.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man,
two realities in one person, united -- but make
him anything less than God or anything more than
man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save
you.
Either that or you are courting
religious spirits who are filling your head with the doctrines
they have been promoting for
thousands of years. He doesn't have to be fully anything.
He is who the Word of God
says He is - which is the Word
made flesh.
Bill
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