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From you, Judy.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:45
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
Noone is saying that Jesus did not have a flesh body
from his birth on - Not here anyway; so where do you get this?
"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist,
which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." 1John
4.3
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:08
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
What person among us indwelt with the Holy
Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ was born with David's blood running
through his veins?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these
things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring
of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to
you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his
tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and
knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of
his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to
sit on his throne," (Acts 2.29-30).
Although it was by way of his adoption by
Joseph that he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by
way of adoption that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to him
"according to the flesh":
"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from
the seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David
was?" (Joh 7.42).
"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was
born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom
1.3).
"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of
David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim
2.8).
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
, neither God nor Man
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not
of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus
absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through
David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now
to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,
'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who
is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that
Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a
blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law
serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the
Seed should come to whom the promise was made"
(Gal 2.19).
You know, Judy, you always say "Show me
in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or
are you going to live by your words?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16,
2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Jesus , neither God nor Man
Luke
writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals
(Act 2.30):
Not
exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him,
that
of the fruit of his loins,
according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his
throne."
Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph
is in David's lineage but he is
hardly the biological father of Jesus is he? Even
though Jesus is born in his lineage.
hence he was not some kind of new humanity,
freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to
fallen humankind;
No, he
is human like David was human, born on our side of the
fall.
He
did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did
not have a human father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he was most
definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy
ATST
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before
Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David'
predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated
David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that
his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him.
No, Jesus said that he (and this before his
glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the
LORD who covenants with Abraham.
So?? Noone here disputes
his heritage.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man,
two realities in one person, united -- but make
him anything less than God or anything more
than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless
to save you.
Either that or you are
courting religious spirits who are filling your head with the
doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years. He doesn't have to be
fully anything. He is who the Word of God
says He is - which is the Word
made flesh.
Bill
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