David:Want a crowd? Want to make some money?
Design a travelling road show which will appear in major cities throughout
your nation. Offer up yourself as, what the scientific community would call,
the sacrificial lamb on the altar of truth. Contact the leading lights of
the scientific community ahead of time. Select a venue. Sell tickets. Do
exactly what you say below that you've already done. Invite the press. As
you are CERTAIN of the outcome....
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: March 24, 2006 08:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
If I were teaching high school biology right now, I would spend one day
out
of the whole year to discuss the creation / evolution controversy. I
would
consider some of the stronger arguments for creation. Furthermore, I
would
teach them that science considers any mention of a Creator as something
that
puts a theory outside the realm of science, and I would teach them that
the
scientific establishment does not consider any model of origins that
involves a Creator to be something that science could consider. Of
course,
I would also express my disagreement with this notion because religious
theories that make empirical predictions can be tested scientifically.
This
is ignored by the scientific establishment in their zeal to outlaw
religious
theories in schools.
By the way, every past colleague of mine that I have argued this point,
about creationist models being scientifically testable, have had to agree
with me that I was right, after MUCH arguing, but they will only concede
that every Creationist model of origins that is scientifically testable
has
already been falsified. The ones that have not been falsified are still
unscientific. Go figure.
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Just how wide do you wish the door open, scientifically speaking? This
issue
is akin to the 'prayer in school' issue. (Goose & gander thingy)
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: March 23, 2006 16:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Do you think it should be illegal to teach in schools, or do you just
think
it is good advice not to mention the Creator in schools?
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
then,
I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
either.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
Williams
said: "I don't think it should, actually. No, no."
So how have I mischaracterized him?
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position. DOUBLE
YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,
David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
believe,
Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to
you
and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
yikes)
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Lance wrote:
If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.
I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought to
be
separate. I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
submitted
unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Lance wrote:
He is a brother in Christ who believes
differently than you on some matters.
Now, if that makes him what you say
then, that makes you what I say.
He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me. The
moniker
was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of our
Creator did not belong in schools. He made an irrational statement,
assuming that CNN reported him accurately. If he is a brother in
Christ,
then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as other
believers correct him. If he is not a brother in Christ, then he will
continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to remove the
acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools. What he said was
very
damaging to our society, to believers who want to acknowledge God the
Creator in their study of origins. To think that science and the
acknowledgement of God are incompatible is expected from scientists but
not
from theologians, and certainly not from the Right Reverend Doctor
Rowland
Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.
David Miller
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