Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

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There is much about this list that I like.   I remain a political conservative when it comes to the increase of states rights,  free enterprise,  spending within our means,

property rights, and those sort of things.   Neither the Republican nor Democrate parties demonstrate values similar to mine in these regards.   I was a Democrate and voted for Carter  - the first time.   And, in fact, came within a breath of voting for Clinton , the first time.  If he hadn't have said "I smoked but I didn't inhale" with a view that we take him seriously,  I would have.   He was not that bad of a preseident  --  not a great one, by any means,  but not that bad.   He did talk the Jews into making all those concessions  and that is overlooked by many.  the fact that he used the room in the White House called an "office" to do his deed with Monica some 50 or 60 times is most disgusting to me.   For my money, the worst, most immoral President of all time was Nixon.   God is the judge, but I see Nixon as thoroughly reprobate.  He used Vietnom to get re-elected and his party supported him in that !!??&n bsp;

 

I am thouroughly anti-communist and anti-socialist.   The problem with being anti-socialist is that our government has not conducted itself within the parameters of true compassionate conservatism  --  making socialism in a number of venues a necessity.  We have allowed the Mexican immigrant population to overwhelm us to the point that there is no solution other than amnesty.   We have allowed the medical industry so much profit that socialized medicine  --  someday  --  will become the law of the land.  We have so ignored Vocational Education as to make social welfare a greater demand than ever before.  

 

Anyway  -- not a bad list.

 

jd

 

 

 

 

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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm humbled at your objectivity, Kevin.

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From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 23, 2006 23:36

Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Christian roots of our public education system

 

No but I do know about the Lefty Fruits of our public education, it is not about education. it is all about Indoctrination.

Government school Education is one of the promises of the Communist Manifesto
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the propert y of all emigrants and rebels. We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Police confiscation and Court ordered political fines.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State. We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate reg ulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. People are being taxed to support what we call "public" schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education".

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I’m so thankful that my 4 grandchildren are being homeschooled so they can be taught the Truth! Lance and jd; should it be illegal for them to be taught about Creationism at home? If not, why should it be illegal for them to be taught anywhere else? Do you have any idea about the Christian roots of our public education system (before the lefties took over?) izzy

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:39 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 

WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB 

 

Our Job is NOT the school system or Politics, render unto Cesear....

 

Unless of course you are swayed by the Reconstructionists.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What in the hell do you think I have been talking about?   You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly.  I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family.   In fact,  I am with the growing opinion that there has not been enough time for evolution to have worked  it's wonders. That doesn't mean evolution at some level does not exist.   But, now, it is I who digresses.

 

My point?   If the church had not surrendered its college age young people to the Unisersity system,   we would not need this discussion.   The church is not in the High School and our senior class has yet to convert to atheistic evolutionism.......proving that WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB  --  AS A CHURCH OF CHRIST IN MINISTRY TO THE WORLD  -----------   and I am not just talking about "preaching to the lost."    Christ actually spent very little of His time preaching.   Most of His day was spent in the offering of benevolent blessings to others. 

 

jd    

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Why advocate teaching what you don't know JD?  As has already been noted "Only when we prove

evolution do we need to concern ourselves with "harmonizing" evolutionism with theism.  Evidence that

this level of proof has not been achieved includes the long list of scientists and others who have abandoned

Darwinism because they became convinced that the scientific evidence DOES NOT support it.  So why

would you want to warp young minds with useless information that is not proven?   judyt

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm talking about fundy creationist versions in the school systems and you are talking about religious people!!!   Amazing

 

Maybe we should install a different creationist version for every major school system   ....................   I am sure we can find enough fundy ideas to go around.  That way , you would have to worry about consensus and no one will have the slightest idea what to believe.  but you and Kev will be happy.  CONSENSUS BE DAMNED.   KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL MAKE YOU FREE !!  jd

 

 

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I surmised as much JD; my point being that religious ppl have many

and varied points of view about anything and everything and this is no

measure by which to gauge what is needful or true.

 

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:20:02 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Do you even know what this thread is about, Judy?  

WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GETS INTO THE CIRRICULUM  --   HUH  ???

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So?

There isn't a single view of the whole church that is agreed upon

by the whole church either.  What does that prove?    judyt

 

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  -- 

there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.  

 

jd

 

 

 

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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John wrote:

> The world in which we live would reject

> any mention of God in the evolutionary process, 

> IMO.   But  creationism in the schools?   Could

> that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical

> fundamentalist take-over of the culture?

ROTFLOL.  I sure hope you were being facetious on purpose.

 

John wrote:

> But to allow a mere  statement that suggests God

> is somehow in control as the Creator(?)   If this

> could be presented into the secular system of

> education without it being coopted by the fundies 

> --  go for it.   But I doubt that it can.  What a shame

> that radical fundamentalism within Christiandom forces

> the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful opportunity

> to introduce the Creator to others. 

In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing the acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools.  It is the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing this.

 

David Miller

 

 

 

 

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