RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

[ShieldsFamily]

Jd, I remember when my oldest son told me (when he was in college) that he was no longer a Believer.   I calmly told him that he was going through a good and necessary stage of life in which he was rejecting what he had been taught as a child so that he could re-evaluate everything for himself. I assured him that when he had completed this task that he would find that what he had been taught about his faith as a child would not only prove to be true, but would be his very own, internalized belief.  He is now a Christian, although he does not usually attend church although his wife usually does.  He is more of a solitary person, like his father.  I would appreciate prayers for his growth in the area of fellowship. He is as fine a young man as ever I have met. I have learned much from him over the years, and thoroughly enjoy every moment I get to spend with him. izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:01 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   What do I believe about Genesis?   Did you read any of my posts?     Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and   an   innate longing     to live beyond what we see.  As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science,  we lessen its value to the human spirit.     What do I get from reading those first three chapters?   That God is in control  --  not that He is SOMEHOW in control  -  but that He is IN FACT in control.   He is my creator.   I am in His image.   And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me.   It tells me that I was created for others  --  my wife, my children and the world in which I live.   It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions.   Work is a curse because I must be responsible !!   I and my wife are one because  God   thought this to be the case from the beginning.   and REST       has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work.   That's what I get out of this Genesis account.  While some of you only see a debate !!!!     Do you know the best way of dealing with a child  - in my case an older son  -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!!  IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects.  DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate.  You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again."   He won't do it.   But if you ignore the challenge,  and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life  --  the objection vanishes into thin air.  Theory?   Nope.   It worked on both of my older boys  -  the lawyer and the doctor.   But I digress with some free advice.    The long and short of the lesson is this  --  make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war  !!!    Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner.      jd     jd    -------------- Original message -------------- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   David !!   Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written.  First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist.   Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple  --  you have somehow lost the context of my statement.  My comments go the the notion that "day" is not a 24 hour period.    To say that it is metaphorical does not  mean that God did not create  the world and even in the sequence depicted  --  at least not to me.   Such an admission , on my part, does not mean that I believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" as we understand that term , today.   Look  --  do you really believe that God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 hour period of time to rest up !!!??   And "rest up " for what?   Com'on David, this is impossible.     jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith and speaking?  What does how long it takes for him to speak words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being?  I don't understand your point.   David Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So which fundamentalist version  of creation do you support.  That A & E were spirit people.   A 6000 year date or a 10,000 or an "unknown" e.t.  ?   The version that says it took God 144 hours to speak words that can be   spoken in 24 seconds !!!   I just did it in 24 big ones  !!   including a drink of water because my mouth was getting dry.    Consensus has NOTHING to do with !!   Rad Fundies cannot agree on much of anything.   Which version goes into the school system ???  We are still waiting??   jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't you get it JT? TRUTH is found in CONSENSUS! The opinions of Men are the key..... Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So? There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon by the whole church either.  What does that prove?    judyt   On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  --  there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.     jd       -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John wrote: > The world in which we live would reject > any mention of God in the evolutionary process,  > IMO.   But  creationism in the schools?   Could > that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical > fundamentalist take-over of the culture? ROTFLOL.  I sure hope you were being facetious on purpose.   John wrote: > But to allow a mere  statement that suggests God > is somehow in control as the Creator(?)   If this > could be presented into the secular system of > education without it being coopted by the fundies  > --  go for it.   But I doubt that it can.  What a shame > that radical fundamentalism within Christiandom forces > the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful opportunity > to introduce the Creator to others.  In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing the acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools.  It is the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing this.   David Miller       Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.