> I think it's worthwhile to make it easy to use Cheetah as an
> alternative... if for no other reason than it would give a lot of
> people a good reason to shut up.

This is exactly why the Ubuntu team created Kubuntu.  One of the most
common questions they got was why did you choose Gnome over KDE.   And
it wasn't enough that they had good reasons, and it was clearly be
best default for them (they were aiming at computer novices who would
be bewildered by many of the configuration options in KDE) it wasn't
the best choice for everybody.   So now there is a Kubuntu project,
and it gets significant funding, and has become a popular choice for
KDE people.

But, it was also initially designed and supported by developers
outside the core, because the core needed to focus on making the gnome
based version rock.  If Ubuntu came out with two "OK, not great" 
versions to start, nobody ever asked for a KDE based Ubuntu.

I think there is a lesson to be learned here, and I am convinced that
if somebody can add really good Cheetah support that's easy to use, to
TurboGears, and make it play nice and leave Kid as the default, I
think that will make everybody happy.   But I'm also convinced that we
have other fish to fry, and we shouldn't loose focus on CRUD, and
other 1.0 blocking features.

Anyway, from the looks of things over at CherryPy, that might be a
little bit easier than it was a week ago.  (
http://projects.dowski.com/projects/buffet )

--Mark Ramm

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