Well, 'carpers' was my word but there is some truth to it. For example this recent exchange: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/77285bd20fafbf2b/b0ffd482e925f0c0?hl=en#b0ffd482e925f0c0 which made it into QOTW in Python-URL, inspiring this rejoinder: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/6348bfbb69642a4a/1d7f98c3c82fd64b?hl=en#1d7f98c3c82fd64b
Ultimately it seems to come down to - Python is open source - Python developers are largely unpaid volunteers working on what interests them - If you want something to change, you can -- do it yourself -- convince someone to volunteer to do it -- pay someone to do it So far cleaning up the std lib has not attracted any of these three options. Kent Barton David wrote: > Sadly I can't think of a plan B, hence the frustration! Python, as far > as I know, is as good as it gets. And I don't have the courage or the > capability to improve it myself. > > So all I can really do is clasp my hands together and helplessly plead: > "Won't Somebody, Please, Think of the Children!" > > (Meaning struggling non-pro users like me, of course) > > As far as I'm concerned, the core language has matured to be elegant and > terrificly newbie-friendly, but the extended functionality (the standard > library) absolutely has not. It disappoints me that Guido and many other > developers *seem* to be more concerned with strategies for revamping the > former than they are with strategies for improving the latter. If Kay > Schluehr, Paul Rubin and John Nagle are opposing this trend and being > dismissed as 'carpers' then I fear Python has lost sight of the > 'friendliness' it once seemed to aspired to. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 July 2007 14:11 > To: Barton David > Cc: tutor@python.org > Subject: Re: [Tutor] Shelve del not reducing file size > > If it's any solace, there is a small minority of Python users who agree > with you. There *are* rough edges in the library modules and the library > docs. The great majority of Python users seem to find them good enough > and are pleased and amazed at what you can do with the batteries > included. A minority find the warts, omissions and inconsistencies to be > very frustrating, and not because they (the users) are dumb. IIRC some > prominent carpers on comp.lang.python are Kay Schluehr, Paul Rubin and > John Nagle. > > I'm curious, what is plan B? Do you have something better than Python to > try? I guess the above-named people are still with Python because the > benefits outweigh the warts. > > Kent > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor