On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Joe Hass <hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for doing this. I've always found sports graphic packages > intriguing, especially as the technology has improved. A couple thoughts: > > * Words cannot express how much my minimalist heart loves the simple use > of the team abbreviations without the logos. That drives me up a fricking > wall. > * I'm guessing the lack of the big "TOUCHDOWN" pop-up is from not having > to think through the mind of watching a game with no sound. This is > probably also why they don't have a time out display. > * I can't say all with certainty, but I would find it shocking if a pro or > major college venue didn't offer a number feed of the clock for > broadcasters to use (which is usually amusing to watch when they're trying > to adjust it). That said, there's always a fixed camera on both game and > play clocks for the purpose of replay burn in (this is true in basketball > and hockey coverage as well) that's grabbed when the widget is > malfunctioning. In most places, it's bolted down well; given this was a > one-off, they probably didn't do as thorough a job. > * Given that's the CBS graphic package for the down and distance display, > my guess is that's now how international NFL feeds package those cameras. > * I'm on the fence as to how much information these widgets should > display. As you might guess from the first bullet, I'm of the opinion the > less the better unless it can be done well, so I like this (though I think > you could've put the down and distance display down to the third line and > bumped in the clock to make a rectangle. > > One of the fun parts of the Fox generator problems from Tuesday was to see > what the graphic package was on the international feed: MLBN with the MLB > logo where the MLBN logo usually is. > > In response to your points: * They style and font the BBC has used is very much in keeping with its graphics packages for just about every sport it covers. It's a house style. Actually the inclusion of an NFL logo is quite unusual. But yes, minimalist tends to be the way. It was only in the fairly recent past that the BBC's Match of the Day highlights programme actually included a permanent score box. It was assumed that the viewer could probably keep up with the score! Sky really changed everything, and they took their lead heavily from ESPN. So now everyone has pop up boxes showing % possession, shots on target and so on. But they only appear occassionally. * Rugby would be the closes comparison, and there's not big "Try" logo that comes up either. I think broadcasters think that even if you're watching in a bar, you kind of know that a try has been scored. Sky does, I think, run a quick "Goal" graphic however. * I kind of wonder if the BBC cobbled together something themselves. I believe the way that sports graphics are now produced for big events is that the raw data is centrally produced, and then a host-broadcaster version output. However a broadcaster can then choose to take the data feed, and add a sort of house-CSS styling to that data. But it's possible that not everything is being output that way. The clock is odd though. While in football (soccer) the only official clock is on the referee's wrist - stadium and TV clocks not being official - with rugby there is a single clock and that's happily shared to broadcasters. Actually, I've just reviewed BBC footage from the first game this year, and they used the full CBS graphics package for that game. So what I think might be the issue is sponsorship. It's possible that they didn't want to have "Visa/DraftKings/Whatever Halftime-Show" graphics on screen or similar. The BBC produced their own coverage, with Sky doing the same. The NFL supplies loads of guests. More to the point, the BBC is not allowed to take commercials, and while you do see sports' own sponsorship logos (e.g. Omega timing for Athletics), there are strict limits on what's allowed. I wonder if that was the issue. * I'm not sure whether the NFL supplies an International Feed as such for anything but the Superbowl. And for the last few years, sponsorship issues notwithstanding, UK broadcasters have taken the full US network feeds - I think on the basis that the International Feed talks down to the viewers a bit, and UK viewers are up to speed with the game enough not to need that. BT Sport is definitely using the MLB international feed however! Adam > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote: > >> I'm never sure how attachments work on Google Groups, so below are some >> links to some screengrabs. >> >> Note that because they come from iPlayer they have an additional BBC >> transparent bug in the top left that doesn't appear on live broadcasts. >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidM1NrOWM0MzE5aGs >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qzidejhzU1lKSU5oNFU >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9ga8N37qziddld5alUzeW9vX1U >> >> A couple of things to note: >> >> - The BBC uses the same on-pitch overlays and graphics showing yardage >> - There's no indication of remaining timeouts >> - There's no pop-up saying "Touchdown" when there's a score. The >> scorecard just ticks over >> - You can't tell from the grab, but because the clock is actually a >> camera pointed at what I assume is a stadium clock, it's constantly rocking >> when the stadium rocks - i.e when those 4th quarter touchdowns were coming >> in. I'm sure I remember that's how things used to work in the old days with >> NFL. Back in the 80s perhaps? That's when the UK first got regular coverage. >> >> As for your solution for choosing teams to play abroad, it's an >> interesting model. The only thing I'd note is that the NFL is clearly >> trying to *sell* the game internationally. And if you only give the UK dull >> fixtures with losing teams that nobody cares about, then they won't do >> that. But then I'm basically against the whole thing anyway :-) >> >> >> Adam >> > -- > -- > TV or Not TV .... 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