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On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:53 PM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: > They don't have to provide the audience. Merely a chance to reach them. > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:33 PM Kevin M. <drunkbastar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:47 PM Steve Timko <steveti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Free speech pretty much requires an audience. >>> >> >> Perhaps. But there is no legal guarantee which forces a company to >> provide such an audience >> >> It’s not really free speech if the only place you can say it is, say, in >>> front of the Jehovah’s Witness Hall. So Alex Jones can proselytize as much >>> as he wants from his website, but as Adam noted, “to a certain generation, >>> access to YouTube or Facebook is tantamount to how we communicate in 2018.” >>> Video is probably Alex Jones’ most effective way to communicate. I followed >>> him daily for about three or four months about eight years ago and while he >>> has crazy stuff written on his website, his absolutely most batcrap crazy >>> stuff comes from his videos. YouTube has close to a monopoly on delivery of >>> video, except for what Vimeo and the porn sites. So getting kicked off >>> YouTube and trying to deliver a video message is almost like requiring >>> someone build their own sidewalk to talk to the public. >>> The classic defense of free speech is Milton's Areopagitica, which >>> argues that if truth and lies fight it out in public, truth will win. >>> Sadly, Jones has shown that is not true. How people believe, for instance, >>> that a school shooting was staged so someone could take away guns is >>> incomprehensible. But as with a lot of Trump supporters, facts don’t >>> matter. Truth is not winning in a public forum. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:19 PM Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> side story..... >>>> >>>> honest.... I stumbled across the story because I like music festivals >>>> and EDM (electronic dance music)...... I probably saw it on reddit >>>> /r/Coachella or something. >>>> >>>> There is a DJ that got tired of youtube taking down his 60 minutes >>>> videos of his sets. youtube (or someone) claimed copyright issues. So he >>>> started uploading them to pornhub.com. I didn't bookmark the video, >>>> and searching for it on pornhub is not giving me the result I am seeking to >>>> make my point, so I'll just go back to watching Big Brother now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:05 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:22 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The interesting things is that these companies tend to be quite at >>>>>> good at keeping some things off their sites - notably porn. Sure they >>>>>> also >>>>>> end up banning Renaissance paintings, iconic photographs from the Vietnam >>>>>> war, and mothers feeding their babies. But the algorithms seem reasonably >>>>>> good at identifying bare skin. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, I feel like this actually supports my side of the argument. When >>>>> FB censors classic art, historically important photographs and images of >>>>> breastfeeding mothers, I do feel like it is an unjustified limitation on >>>>> free speech. If they want to ban porn fine, but put in the effort to make >>>>> at least some distinction between that and the other important and >>>>> non-pornographic representations of human nudity. And since these are >>>>> fuzzy >>>>> categories, be prepared to err on the side of allowing a little bit of >>>>> porn >>>>> so we don’t lose important aspects of humanity. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I do insist this is about free speech, though it if helps you >>>>> can read that as “culture of free speech” or “free speech values” if it >>>>> helps distinghiush it from the First Amendment. The US Constitution >>>>> guarantees speech free of government interference, but it does not have a >>>>> monopoly on the values and culture of free expression, which is a >>>>> fundamental characteristic of the American Idea. I know that is not true >>>>> of >>>>> our European cousins (I once had a long conversation with a British >>>>> colleague who scolded me on the American insistence on making a fetish of >>>>> free expression, which I took as a huge compliment). >>>>> >>>>> I actually have not read any serious source who argues that banning >>>>> Jones violates the First Amendment so I am not sure why we are hearing >>>>> this >>>>> being disputed so much. >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> Kevin M. 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