And even before the new rules came in, it was safe to say that the newest
from whichever one of Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker has become a rightwinger or a
Dinesh D'Souza documentary were not going to be shoo-ins for Oscar
nominations anyway--although I noticed that a "faith-based" film,
"Breakthrough," picked up a nomination for best song last year ("I'm
Standing With You," written by Hollywood standby--even if she's never won
an Oscar--Diane Warren and sung by Chrissy Metz in the film). But if "The
Two Popes" was considered eligible for a BAFTA gong (which has a different
meaning here, thanks to Chuck Barris) because highly-placed members of the
Roman Catholic Church are "underexposed," who knows?
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jim Ellwanger <train...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
> Films must meet certain standards in only two out of four categories, and
> it appears you're only quoting one of the categories ("Onscreen
> Representation, Themes and Narratives"). The other categories are "Creative
> Leadership and Project Team," "Industry Access and Opportunities," and
> "Audience Development," and as this L.A. Times story notes, many films
> already qualify in the "Industry Access and Opportunities" category due to
> existing efforts by their studios and production companies.
>
>
> https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-09-08/academy-oscars-inclusion-standards-best-picture
>
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>
> On Sep 9, 2020, at 7:33 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The BAFTA example is mentioned in the Deadline story. I’m against those
> criteria too, on principle.
>
> But are the criteria the same? The BBC story says 1917 qualified for the
> BAFTA win because
>
> “it met the criteria for creative leadership (it had a female co-writer
> and two of the five producers were women) and training.“
>
> It sounds to me that 1917 would not qualify for an Oscar BP in 2024.
> Starting in 2024, to qualify for the Oscar a film would have to have at:
>
> “least one of the lead actors or a significant supporting actor must be
> from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group, whether that means Asian,
> Hispanic, Black, Indigenous, Native American, Middle Eastern, North
> African, native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.
> Or
> “Thirty percent of all actors in secondary or more minor roles could come
> from two of the following categories: women, L.G.B.T.Q., an
> underrepresented racial or ethnic group, or those with cognitive or
> physical disabilities.
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> “the main story line must focus on an underrepresented group.“
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:00 AM Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On first reading, I was as exasperated with this news as many others are.
>> I'm not actually that interested in The Oscars either with the rampant
>> gaming of the system through big budget For Your Consideration campaigns.
>>
>> But I mellowed on reading this BBC piece explaining how BAFTA in the UK *has
>> already *done something similar without me even noticing. From what I've
>> read, the Academy has based its new rules quite a lot on what BAFTA has
>> already done.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54082567
>>
>> The BBC piece points out that movies like 1917 (pretty much 100% white
>> male leads and co-stars) and The Two Popes (two white male leads) amongst
>> other films both qualified through various other categories. So it's not as
>> though the subject matter of films need to be limited. But productions may
>> have to work a bit behind the scenes to qualify.
>>
>> What would really be interesting is to go back through recent nominees in
>> the categories they're talking about and see just how many would already
>> qualify.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:46 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OTOH, I really enjoy the Oscars, or did. This move single handedly
>>> trivializes the need to increase diversity in mass media representations in
>>> popular culture, undermines substantive progress in actual diversity in
>>> film, invalidates otherwise quality films that don’t meet the obviously
>>> arbitrary standards, and (to the extent it wasn’t already) rendering the
>>> Best Picture Oscar meaningless.
>>>
>>> If they needed diversity standards, would much rather have seen them
>>> apply to CEOs and aboard of Directors Of companies that make, finance and
>>> distribute Oscar nominated films.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:28 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I may have mentioned in the past how much contempt I have for award
>>>> shows in general, and the Oscars in particular. While I applaud the
>>>> sentiment of trying to increase representation, the idea that art can
>>>> somehow be dictated by percentages and qualifications is ludicrous at best
>>>> and disgusting at worst. If the Academy is trying to make itself somehow
>>>> even more irrelevant, this is an excellent step in the right direction.
>>>>
>>>> --Dave Sikula
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 7:21:31 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://deadline.com/2020/09/8academy-shakes-oscar-best-picture-eligibility-1234573172/
>>>>> <https://deadline.com/2020/09/academy-shakes-oscar-best-picture-eligibility-1234573172/>
>>>>> - Oscar Shakes Up Best Picture Eligibility Standards; Strict New Diversity
>>>>> Requirements Take Full Effect In 2024
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would this mean for films like Schindlers List, The Right Stuff,
>>>>> Braveheart, The Kings Speech or JFK? Maybe Spotlight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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