I’m not looking to place blame. I’ve known Dave long enough to know you
won’t change his mind and FIFA isn’t going to change the rules to try and
get those people to like the game.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:21 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To clarify, I would never do that, having suffered through literally
> decades of being harangued by friends to fall in love with both soccer and
> hockey. Simply testifying to the fact that, while three intentionally
> attempts to get it on with ice hockey have failed, I am on the verge now
> after a long slow courtship of falling for soccer.
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 6:56 AM Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the long history of this group we have never told each other which
>> sports to like or dislike and I hope we’re not starting now.
>>
>> I remember growing up with the same disdain for soccer. In 1982 I
>> accidentally came across a daily World Cup wrap up on the local PBS
>> station. Brazil had a legendary team that year and the thing that got my
>> attention was their fans in the stands. People in the US going to games
>> weren’t wearing team jerseys or colors yet or painting their faces and the
>> Brazil supporters were. They showed a level of emotional commitment I had
>> never seen before. Plus they had samba bands in the stands that would play
>> whenever the team scored.
>>
>> One problem with getting Americans to follow soccer is that it was
>> difficult or expensive to watch the best teams play. Before the internet it
>> was nearly impossible to stay up to date on the European leagues and World
>> Cup matches were mostly relegated to cable.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:26 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would have written the exact same until about 10-12 years ago. Slowly
>>> I have begun to appreciate some of the nuances of the game, and I have
>>> watched every single WC Match ( well, could not watch some of the
>>> simultaneous matches, though did a couple of times have one on my TV and
>>> the other on my IPad). And have had genuine gasps and exclamations of joy
>>> and despair. It helps that my daughter is into it, so it gives me something
>>> to discuss with her.
>>>
>>> I have found some UK darts streaming, but alas nine with my girl Jacqui.
>>> Also failed to find any darts on ESPN+
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 at 1:24 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to say (with no irony or sarcasm) that I find darts more
>>>> exciting and having more action than any soccer game.
>>>>
>>>> --Dave Sikula
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:33:28 PM UTC-8 Adam Bowie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ha ha. Well the most recent ITV darts coverage was hosted by the
>>>>> excellent News Boulting who these days mostly does cycling and is lead ITV
>>>>> commentator for the Tour de France. That was because it clashed with the
>>>>> World Cup
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