On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 at 21:47, Brooks Harris via tz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2026-07-27 08:06 PM, Paul Eggert via tz wrote:
>
> as proposed for the US by the Sunshine Protection bill (H.R. 139).
>
> I believe the bill, or Act, is titled (may be cited as)  Sunshine
> Protection Act of 2025
>

While the bill has that official title, it's not really an Act until it's
passed and signed into law.  To avoid potential confusion to folks who may
read a speculative patch such as this — perhaps years into a future where
this may have all come to nothing — it is much clearer for now to say here
that it's just a bill.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 01:57, James Bellaire via tz <[email protected]> wrote:

> Legally they are two separate bills.  Follow the first one for the 10
> actions taken so far on H.R. 139. Citing S. 29 would lead to a bill that
> has not progressed.


Correct.  Several copies of similar bills for permanent DST and permanent
standard time have been introduced into both the House and Senate during
each Congress for some time now.  Legally they are all distinct.  H.R. 139
is the only one in this Congress that has passed one chamber, so it is
"ahead" of any of the others at this stage.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 05:03, Derick Rethans via tz <[email protected]> wrote:

> I see this changes Thule as well. As that's part of Greenland (Denmark)
> — are you confident they're going to along with this change?
>

"Confident" is very much the wrong adjective for this speculative patch.
On the contrary, as is stated in the commentary, this diff is somewhat
intentionally maximalist so that folks can prepare for potential changes to
the most zones that might be affected by this bill and its potential
knock-on effects if other jurisdictions follow suit.  In some cases this is
just abbreviations switching to numeric, but in many others assumptions
have been made for the sake of exposition.  Many other end-state
configurations are possible and, indeed, likelier.

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 at 09:36, Robert Bastian via tz <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think it's important to prepare for the SPA passing, but it's equally
> important to prepare for e.g. Toronto and New York being on different times
> this winter.
>

Agreed; non-US jurisdictions taking on this change on short notice is
absolutely NOT a guarantee and arguably becoming less likely as time
passes.  We will certainly want to test several different speculative
versions over the coming weeks.  In particular, even if Canadian and
Caribbean jurisdictions don't change their timekeeping practices, the US'
change would still massively affect the traditional North American
abbreviation system in ways that could affect those zones anyway.

--
Tim Parenti

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