> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:57 AM > To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' > Subject: RE: [U2] - Java - AJAX > > I expect that they will post it in the near term at www.javasig.com. > > Ben demo'd AJAX techniques by coding from scratch with the IntelliJ IDE on > a > Mac notebook, in front of the ~250 attendees there, an AJAX zip code > lookup > thing. He talked about synchronous vs asynchronous client-host > communications. He talked about Google maps. While it seems to be the > best > location mapping software, and although there have been a lot of oohs and > ahhs from the market, he demoed some reverse-engineered 250 lines of code > to > do Google maps can be written by mere mortals in two hours. > > While I care about Swing a lot, most of the attendees were more interested > in web-browser clients. To wrap up, Ben mentioned the dilema choosing > between say Swing and AJAX. Ben indicated that at Sun and other places, > people are working on frameworks for "filthy-rich clients". Thus, even > though the browser clients can be made to be more robust via AJAX > techniques, multi-media Java tools and clients having much more oomph and > are expected to appear by say September-2006. > > I like Swing-clients for in-house use and browser-clients for remote > users. > > Ben highlighted some of the advanced features of Mozilla's Firefox useful > to > AJAX developers. Following his meeting at Redmond, Ben indicated that > Microsoft does not expect to have some of this functionality available to > the public for maybe one year. > > --Bill
So, based on all of that I get the feeling that: 1) Microsoft is not going to remove the 'read-only' aspects of important DOM elements that everyone has been complaining about and that every other browser supports. 2) The market still won't admit that web browsers have a _lot_ of limitations when implemented as user interfaces. Instead, it's best to keep re-molding the same technologies until enough people put it into commercial products. Then it can be called a "mainstream" technology and the market can be changed by direct force. Gah. I'm totally sick of web development. Just building a navigation structure that won't break in situation "Z" is a total PITA these days. And NOooo, you can't have just a "plain-jane" text-based web site anymore. It has to be "intuitive" and "visually appealing". Whatever happen to plain `ole cross-the-board-functionality? I guess the good `ole days went out when the browser wars started. :/ Glen ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
