I should perhaps put this on the U2C list, but I'll second some of
Tony's impressions of Cache'. I am starting a new venture (adventure)
and have selected Cache', using their MV tools as well as their AJAX
tools, for the platform.
In my case, I have done a few talks here and there in the past couple
of years, with my primary focus in two areas: MV and AJAX. It was
shocking and delightful to see that there was a company spending a
large amount of its R&D dollars on two primary projects during this
time: MultiValue implementation and AJAX integration. So, I had to
take a look.
Their MUMPS technology (with objects added, just as they added object
features to MultiValue BASIC) is renamed Cache' Object Script. It is
at least as unimpressive at first glance to a non-MUMPS developer as
Pick might be to a non-Pick developer. But they set up the MV
implementation so that, in theory (I'm guessing there are exceptions),
anywhere that you can write MUMPS code, you can now write DataBASIC
(Cache' MultiValue BASIC). Very cool.
Cache' classes can be developed, looking similar to Java and other
object languages, that generate MultiValue dictionaries. These classes
then work with the rest of their AJAX implementation (named Zen). Any
Cache' class with methods in it can have those methods written in
MultiValue BASIC. As a sometimes Java developer, it is pretty
interesting to see this blend of OOP and MV.
Feel free to ask me any questions about the product or my decision on
this, if desired, especially as we get into more hands-on with the
product this summer (the devil is in the details and all).
Of course, there will always be a place in my heart for U2, but I had
to make the best decision for the new software we will be building and
InterSystems with their Cache' offering that now includes MultiValue
just "feels" more like the future, with their 24-7 approach,
scalability etc. There was really good energy at the conference and in
discussions with key Intersystems folks. I like the U2 group too, but
they do not have the same level of corporate-wide backing for their MV
product that Cache' has, so the innovations are not in the same place
either.
Cheers! --dawn
--
Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
tincat-group.com
Take and give some delight today
On 4/14/07, Tony Gravagno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am working with Cachi and InterSystems on an almost daily basis now. I
have to say, I've come full circle, from looking at them a couple years ago
as being a threat to MV, to now seeing them as being what can keep MV alive
for another generation. The MV emulation within Cachi is very familiar to
anyone who uses Universe, including VOC commands, BASIC, queries,
paragraphs, and so much else.
Their annual Developer Conference (DevCon) was just a couple weeks ago. I
wrote a pre-conference blog and I intend to write a post-conference recap:
removethisNebula-RnD.com/blog
I haven't written the recap yet because 1) we'll see a recap in the
Spectrum E-newsletter very soon, and 2) because i had so much I wanted to
write (so what else is new?) that I wrote a three article series for
Spectrum Magazine and had to get the first article for the May/June issue
done before I did my blog.
The Sales guys are just anxious to ensure that the product is acceptable to
people who are familiar with MV, and they want to understand who is
interested in their software. There's probably a good middleground between
some companies that don't care what your experience is until you send them
a check, and people who are on top of you to guide your experience. Cut
them some slack, ask them to give you some breathing space, and I'm sure
they'll calm down. :)
About price - their model is very "creative". While they do have a base
price for licensing, the model (as I understand it) is to negotiate each
sale, not to quote a flat rate and let you walk away with pricing as the
primary consideration, enticement, or discouragement for or against a sale.
It's an interesting model - play the game and see if you like it, rather
than expecting the normal flat model that everyone else uses. Consider
this, I believe their annual revenue is greater than that for all of the
other MV market licenses combined - there are obviously a lot of companies
out there who appreciate this creative model, so I think we should each
check it out for ourselves.
If you have questions about Cachi, including scalability, security,
performance, etc, I suppose I can serve as a resource for this, and as a
conduit/liaison for anyone who'd like to get familiar with the software.
HTH
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
TG@ remove.this.part.pleaseNebula-RnD.com
will wrote:
> The on-line demo of Cache looked good to me. What I didn't like
> the almost immediate sales call after the down load. The bloke
> who called demanded to know everything about my company and its
> products and everything I had done or ever might do in using their
> product and refused to give me a price. Do you have a price for a
> license? Does anyone have it actually performing? Thanks,
> Will
> Nick Cipollina wrote:
>
> We are evaluating Cache. I really like it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cipollina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of will
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:44 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] U2 / mv.net
>
> Has there been an evaluation of Cache on this list?
>
> Will
>
> Nick Cipollina wrote:
>
> We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment
>
> we
>
> are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a
> nice product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cipollina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
>
> Hammerle
>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net
>
> Hello Nick,
>
> I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net
> is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to
> none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use?
>
> And
>
> are you using mv.NET?
>
> Thanks, George
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400
> From: "Nick Cipollina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as
>
> opposed
>
> to C#? And why?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cipollina
-------
u2-users mailing list
u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
-------
u2-users mailing list
u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
