Exactly - i still stick to the belief that a small team of highly skilled programmers will code quicker from a single page spec than a thousand low quality coders using a high detail spec. Many an institution disagrees, or rather has been stung by smaller teams giving promises that they can then not deliver, I suppose this is what bureaucracy is all about, something simple runs perfectly until someone slips up, then all hell breaks loose and 15 procedures are put into place and before you know it you have a team of 20 doing what one guy did all on his own.
-----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 13 October 2009 22:54 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table If you are going to go that far with the minutia then why not just type it in and get done with it? Jerry Banker -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:09 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table Actually for many it is mass produced. Specification is being done to the absolute minutia, for example in the Unified Rational process, when generating use cases these get transmitted down to the architectural specifications and become the actual classes in the code (there is even software to build such skeleton code), with each method and property defined, again this is then used by the test plan to test each class/method/property etc. The coder kind of just fills in the gaps. In my previous employment we had whole teams of BA's, DBA's, System Architects, UI Designers, UX analysts etc, Then a bunch of people in the Philipines to do exactly as was written down in front of them. This kind of scenario happens a lot in larger projects. -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jpb-u2ug Sent: 13 October 2009 18:00 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table I don't see where you are coming from here. Every program I ever produce is for a specific purpose. We don't create one program and then have an assembly line that types it in several times over and over again. We just make copies of it. Programming takes skill, intelligence, and imagination. It is not a massed produced product like linen or towels where they have to have a body to recreate the product over and over. Jerry Banker -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:43 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table Indian development firms are pretty much the same as any other - if you get a small highly focused team of experts they will achieve a lot. The problem is when you get large pools of programmers of various skill levels, and so need more management time than it would take to program it in the first place. But then this is in theory more scalable. I live in the north west of England, just outside Manchester, the Industrial revolution started here, It was once very big in the textile industry- However no textiles are made here anymore, the old Victorian buildings that used to produce these are now trendy apartments, or business parks. There are a few specialist providers, I can kind of see software going the same way. Much of software is grinding out work, that can be done very cheaply in India/China/and Africa soon. All we in the western world will be doing is niche specialist development. Perhaps -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 12 October 2009 22:09 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table Indian development firms aren't all they're cracked up to be, especially in anything other than Microsoft technologies. I've seen exactly this progression in other language lists to which I belong. Indian firm gets contract based on price and claim to know the language. Indian firm tries to get free help from mailing lists, newsgroups, etc, because they don't understand the technology. Indian firm loses contract or is not renewed. We've got personal experience in taking development contracts away from this type of firm. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bney...@hcmg.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:47 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample program - to extract data from Table Doesn't matter which. We are the next group that will be asked to work for reduced pay or our work will go to India. 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