Chuck, Whilst on 1 hand I tend to agree, I think that anything that aids in the visualization of a process is useful.
I've read history books that talk about an archaic art form called "flowcharting", though I believe the practitioners are all but extinct, even though they were prolific. UML is much more - comes back to how you use it. Horses for courses, and your mileage may vary. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 12:29 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Eclipse > >Ross, > [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a step that has >value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect practical >considerations. My experience of UML is that it is a method for >separating projects from common sense and practical results. > > - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > >Ross Ferris wrote: > >>Stuart, >> >>I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to >spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" >that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development >environment for U2) >> >>At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so >maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would >be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get >that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the >economic drivers) >> >>Ross Ferris >>Stamina Software >>Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Stuart Boydell >>>Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM >>>To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>Subject: RE: Eclipse >>> >>> >>> >>>>Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? >>>> >>>> >>>Hi Ross, >>>I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the >>>IDE. >>>It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in >>>for it for U2. >>> >>>For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a >>>development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is >>>adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source >>>version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). >>> >>>It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source >community. >>>You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or >>>tools >>>you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work >has >>>been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse >>>shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be >able >>>to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the >>>database >>>& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. >>> >>>So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, >>>Rational >>>or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested >in >>>it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. >>> >>>I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and >>>their >>>views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Stuart >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>********************************************************************** >>>This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >>>received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >>>(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. >>> >>>This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >>>for the presence of computer viruses. >>>********************************************************************** >>> >>>-- >>>u2-users mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 >>> >>> >>> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 >> >> >> >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
