We also had problems with jirous 2 foot dishes not having very good signal no matter how hard we aimed a 3.8 mile link. No problems with 4 foot jirous or ubnt 35db dishes. I have not tried 3 foot for jirous yet though.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 1:59 PM Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net> wrote: > While we're on that subject, what dishes are most people using with these? > On the link we have up, we have Jirous, and I was considering using those > for our next couple of links as well... mainly because they're physically a > fair amount smaller than the ubnt dishes (and I'm assuming quite a bit less > wind load), but also because it would seem easier to adapt other radios to > them later, if we need more capacity. Any thoughts on that? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on > behalf of Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 2:55 PM > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > We noticed the Jirous 2' antenna is not that good and will be further off > than the UBNT dishes. > > the Jirous 3' and 4' dishes seem to be much better. > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net> > wrote: > >> Ah yeah, that makes sense... I forget about the duplexer. Not that it >> really changes anything anyway with these, it'll just throw the signal >> calculations off a bit. For licensing purposes, I figure you're generally >> better off erring on the side of higher output power. The AF11 link we have >> up has always been off by about 5db, and I haven't been able to get it any >> better after trying to tune it several times, but I think we may have some >> trees poking a bit into the fresnel zone somewhere in the middle... >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on >> behalf of Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] >> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 2:45 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x >> >> It's actually not excessive. >> If you read the manual it says the duplexer is = to 1db loss and you're >> going to have at least that in the jumpers as well. >> I however always set the cable loss to zero and do the math for my max >> EIRP or 18dbm. It's just easier when looking at it to know that there isn't >> 2 being subtracted somewhere. >> Even with the losses, we usually are within 1-2db of target and sometimes >> beat it. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to >>> me... >>> >>> But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some >>> obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance. >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on >>> behalf of Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net] >>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM >>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter >>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x >>> >>> Why is that? They are 35dB antennas. >>> >>> 17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are. >>> >>> On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote: >>> > And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to >>> work >>> > on the alignment, Matt. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net >>> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm >>> > Tx Power. >>> > >>> > ________________________________________ >>> > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ >>> ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Matt Hoppes >>> > [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>] >>> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM >>> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl >>> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x >>> > >>> > I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going >>> on this >>> > link (see picture) >>> > >>> > On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: >>> > > Alex, >>> > > >>> > > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at >>> > the end >>> > > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link >>> > to meet >>> > > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the >>> AF11fx >>> > > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels >>> > needed to >>> > > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that >>> can be >>> > > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required >>> signal >>> > > level is listed but I don't have it memorized. >>> > > >>> > > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect >>> but you >>> > > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to >>> > design >>> > > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum. >>> > > >>> > > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot >>> > antennas >>> > > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe >>> > if the >>> > > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth. >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips >>> > <highspeedl...@gmail.com <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> >>> > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well. I have spoken >>> with my >>> > > freq coordinator about making changes to their software that >>> > > estimates these links to account for this. >>> > > >>> > > /*Alex Phillips*/ >>> > > CEO and General Manager >>> > > RBNS.net >>> > > HighSpeedLink.net >>> > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* >>> > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference >>> > > September 6-8th 2018 >>> > > #AMP18 >>> > > @PriorityConf Twitter >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard >>> > <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net> >>> > > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's >>> > > screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link >>> using 2' >>> > > dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply >>> > isn't >>> > > enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the >>> > signal >>> > > should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that >>> > distance, >>> > > which those antennas, but in the real world there's a >>> good >>> > > chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly >>> no >>> > fade >>> > > margin to speak of at 10X. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > > *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >>> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> >>> > > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >>> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>] on behalf of David Jones >>> > > [d...@nglconnection.com <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com> >>> > <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com>>] >>> > > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 5:42 AM >>> > > >>> > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x >>> > > >>> > > I can confirm with Adair >>> > > >>> > > in order to get 10x you need TX set at 18 and no auto >>> > power back >>> > > off. However you can use the MIMO and Short CP >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard >>> > > <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net> >>> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back >>> > off to >>> > > work properly... the first thing I'd try would be >>> to turn >>> > > that off and just set the max power to 18dbm... but >>> the >>> > > problem is, that when you do that, you're going to >>> > probably >>> > > lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link >>> (judging from >>> > > the dashboard screenshot). If you go to the latest >>> beta >>> > > firmware, you'll probably be able to get 9x working, >>> > but I >>> > > suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do >>> 10x. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > > *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >>> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> >>> > > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >>> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org >>> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>] on behalf of alex >>> > > phillips [highspeedl...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> >>> > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>] >>> > > *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM >>> > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x >>> > > >>> > > Like this? >>> > > >>> > > https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png >>> > > <https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > That's how we've had it set, and we're still only >>> > seeing 8x. >>> > > >>> > > https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png >>> > > <https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > /*Alex Phillips*/ >>> > > CEO and General Manager >>> > > RBNS.net >>> > > HighSpeedLink.net >>> > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* >>> > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority >>> Conference >>> > > September 6-8th 2018 >>> > > #AMP18 >>> > > @PriorityConf Twitter >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Adair Winter >>> > > <ada...@amarillowireless.net >>> > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> >>> > > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net >>> > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > What is your conducted power set to? >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 9:29 AM alex phillips >>> > > <highspeedl...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> >>> > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > I have it set like the lic says but it wont >>> hit >>> > > 10x. Ubnt support suggested reducing power >>> > and that >>> > > did not help. >>> > > >>> > > /*Alex Phillips*/ >>> > > CEO and General Manager >>> > > RBNS.net >>> > > HighSpeedLink.net >>> > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* >>> > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American >>> Priority >>> > > Conference >>> > > September 6-8th 2018 >>> > > #AMP18 >>> > > @PriorityConf Twitter >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Seth >>> Mattinen >>> > > <se...@rollernet.us >>> > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> <mailto:se...@rollernet.us >>> > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > On 3/23/18 7:03 AM, alex phillips wrote: >>> > > > Can those who use AF11 and are able to >>> > establish a link a 10x reliably >>> > > > please share your link information? >>> > > > >>> > > > Distance, Dish and power settings. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Match your license. Don't randomly >>> increase >>> > > power, 11GHz travels a long >>> > > way and you can easily interfere with >>> another >>> > > licensee. >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > >>> > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > >>> > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > < >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > David Jones >>> > > NGL Connection >>> > > 307-288-5491 ext 702 <tel:(307)%20288-5491> >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Darin Steffl >>> > > Minnesota WiFi >>> > > www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com> <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >>> > > 507-634-WiFi >>> > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>> > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > Ubnt_users@wispa.org <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071> >> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180> >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> > > > -- > > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > <http://www.amarillowireless.net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >
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