>$350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow Where are you seeing 2 year ROI? With 5 customers you're breaking even, that's like 2 days of installs. With 20 customers you're more than profitable.
This is exactly how we got started building a profitable business (this idea actually came from Travis Johnson). These days we basically get free money from the credit union via prime rate loan, it's something like $125 per $20k? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:08 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > JP, > > Respectively, I'm not totally disagreeing with you but it's an interesting > discussion! > > Sure, typically less than a 2 year payback is considered fair by many but > my point is that I can get a faster ROI on UBNT and near immediate payback > on LOS customers. There are only so many hours a day so I seriously > consider where I spend my resources for the best ROI. I do totally agree > with you that you probably have a better chance of keeping customers should > any serious competition come into the area. I also agree that you may be > able to get UBNT no-go customers. On that note, I'd love to hear how that > point is going for you! > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 AM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > >> So, less than two years payback on 10 subs. Without borrowing a dime. >> Now, jump it up to real world numbers, 20 subs or more. >> Now, finance the equipment with the extra cash flow you now have. >> >> Many, many companies are happy with 10 year payback. 20 months is pretty >> good. Sure, you're used to 'disruptive' numbers (and so are we). >> >> But we dropped 100K on Telrad to service about 100 customers. >> Not the best deal I ever made, but $6900/month sure does service a 100K >> note with LOTS left over. :) >> >> Plus, with the better equipment, you might actually stand a chance of >> keeping those customers. >> >> We dropped UBNT 900 years ago. Just too slow. >> >> Cambium is a whole 'nother ball game. I have dozens (if not over a >> hundred) no go site surveys that a 450 Cambium might be able to service. >> I will be looking into them. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> JP >> >> *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote* >> > CAMBIUM: >> > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor >> $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 >> customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months >> > >> > UBNT: >> > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + Labor >> $600 = TOTAL: $3600 >> > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months >> > >> > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS >> subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :) >> > >> > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: >> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come >>> talk about cost. :) >>> > >>> > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 >>> clients. >>> > >>> > JP >>> > >>> > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote* >>> > >>> > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! >>> > > >>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> > > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. >>>> > > >>>> > > Josh Luthman >>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>>> > > Suite 1337 >>>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>>> > > >>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart < >>>> cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in >>>>> foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of hill >>>>> which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be hard >>>>> press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, it is >>>>> Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as >>>>> opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have >>>>> customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. That is >>>>> enough time to recover investment and make something. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long time, >>>>> not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector >>>>> shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial leases. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market >>>>> where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many spots. >>>>> Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart < >>>>> cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it >>>>>> work in foliage areas. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions < >>>>>> r...@thpi.net> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real life >>>>>>> experience input. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? >>>>>>> > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? >>>>>>> > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? >>>>>>> > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about one >>>>>>> mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees >>>>>>> about 80 >>>>>>> to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Thank you in advance for your reply. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ralf > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > * >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>>>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > >>> > > -RickG >>> > >>> > Joe Portman >>> > Alamo Broadband Inc. >>> > www.alamobroadband.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -RickG >> >> >> Joe Portman >> Alamo Broadband Inc. >> www.alamobroadband.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> Ubnt_users@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> > > > -- > -RickG > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >
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