JP, With all due respect, I know and have known many "millionaires" - until you see their balance sheet and realize they owe more than they own. With that said, if you've done better than they, then congratulations are in order. I do appreciate your input, so thanks for that!
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > I became a multimillionaire through the judicious use of debt. > Went from 0 to $2.1 million a year in 4.5 years, from 0 to 11000 dialup > customers. > Could not have done it with cash. :) > I have Jim Hollis (fispa) to thank for opening my eyes to cash flow based > financing. > > Nothing major gets built without leverage. > > YMMV, > JP > > *On Thu, 31 May 2018 14:04:59 -0400, RickG wrote* > > Ah, that's the difference between us - I run a debt free company. > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:23 AM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> > >> > Well, if there is no other service available, $50/month is too low. :) >> SB able to charge more. Good price is $69.95. >> > >> > $10000*.035 = $350 month for 60 months. (and that is a VERY expensive >> lease). >> > >> > 10 customers at $70 = $700/month. $350 profit off the jump. Acceptable, >> but not 'juicy'. :) >> > >> > 20 customers at $70 = $1400/month (per sector) = $1000 profit per >> month (per sector). Now we're talking. >> > >> > We have hundreds of no-go site surveys that might work with 900 if we >> can beat the interference from CPS Energy. >> > >> > Get better lease terms and profit goes up. >> > >> > Charge an installation fee to cover some of your upfront costs as well. >> $199 seems reasonable if no other service is available. >> > Add in a managed router service (or anything you can think of to drive >> ARPU up). >> > >> > Now your upfront for 20 customers = $4000 for radios and $6000 for >> sector with backup. (you only need ONE backup BTW) >> > Second sector is only $7K for 20 customers. >> > >> > And the beat goes on. >> > >> > $350/month for lease payment vs $1400 for incoming cash flow. I'd make >> that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. >> > >> > But that's just me. :) >> > >> > YMMV. >> > >> > JP >> > >> > >> > *On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:50:32 -0400, RickG wrote* > CAMBIUM: >> > > Outlay: AP (x2 for backup) $5000 + CPE/Antenna (x 11) $4400 + Labor >> $600 = TOTAL: $10000 (not including bandwidth & support)Inflow: 10 >> customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 20 months >> > > >> > > UBNT: >> > > Outlay: AP ($250 (x2 for backup) $500 + CPE/Antenna (x11) $2750 + >> Labor $600 = TOTAL: $3600 >> > > Inflow: 10 customers @ $50/month = $500/month >> > > ROI (Not counting labor or any issues): 7.2 months >> > > >> > > That's a big difference, especially when you consider my ROI on LOS >> subs is much, much less! 3 cheers for LOS! Too bad everyone is not LOS! :) >> > > >> > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:08 PM, J Portman <ba...@baron.com> wrote: >> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> > > You think so? Take a look at ANY of the LTE solutions and then come >>> talk about cost. :) >>> > > >>> > > 2500 for an AP seems steep, but amortizes VERY quickly with 10 >>> clients. >>> > > >>> > > JP >>> > > >>> > > *On Tue, 29 May 2018 23:58:02 -0400, RickG wrote* >>> > > >>> > >>> > > > Cambium 450i 900 is very pricey! >>> > > > >>> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > Cambium came out with their 450i in 900 in the last couple years. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Josh Luthman >>>> > > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> > > > 1100 Wayne St >>>> > > > Suite 1337 >>>> > > > Troy, OH 45373 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018, 12:54 PM Clay Stewart < >>>> cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > What to expect with the best of experiences. Expect 4-10Mbps in >>>>> foliage and at least 100' over treetops on a tower. We have a bit of hill >>>>> which makes the difference for eight over the terrain. I would be hard >>>>> press to deploy in flat land with foliage. As with any frequency, it is >>>>> Terrain, Terrain Terrain... and height. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Get recommendations from someone who has similar terrain, as >>>>> opinions will always matter between those WISPs in various conditions. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > If you have no pending competition in next 24-36 months and have >>>>> customers that can only be serviced via 900Mhz, then try it out. That is >>>>> enough time to recover investment and make something. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > I agree though, nothing has been done with 900Mhz in a long >>>>> time, not even a shielded radio like the TIs, or a better, lighter sector >>>>> shielding which costs wind load and weight issue for commercial leases. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > We are converting from 900Mhz at a pace required for each market >>>>> where possible. But I expect we will have them for awhile in many spots. >>>>> Hell, we still have a few Alvarians collecting money! >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Clay Stewart < >>>>> cstew...@scsbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>> > > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > You have to use Rocket Yagis with Shielded Sectors to make it >>>>>> work in foliage areas. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ralf-Talking Head Productions >>>>>> <r...@thpi.net> wrote: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > I am interested in Ubiquitie's 900Mhz radios and need real >>>>>>> life experience input. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Do they cut through heavy pine trees? >>>>>>> > > > What is the real distance I can archive through pine trees? >>>>>>> > > > Does it have sufficient bandwidth throughput? >>>>>>> > > > I have 3 customers who would like to sign up. They are about >>>>>>> one mile away from the tower. The distance is through heavy pine trees >>>>>>> about 80 to 100 feet tall. Any suggestions? >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Thank you in advance for your reply. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ralf > > > Gulf Wireless Inc. > > > * >>>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>>>> > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>>>>> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>> > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>>> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>> > > > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> > > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>>> > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > >>> > > > -RickG >>> > > >>> > > Joe Portman >>> > > Alamo Broadband Inc. >>> > > www.alamobroadband.com >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > > >>> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > -RickG >> > >> > Joe Portman >> > Alamo Broadband Inc. >> > www.alamobroadband.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > Ubnt_users@wispa.org >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -RickG > > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > -- -RickG
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